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Old 01-26-2013, 11:34 AM
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HEY CNI
I just tried to PM you about FMLA stuff
anyone know where to find that info on DeltaNet?
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Old 01-26-2013, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
The Simmons airplane was a -72, and they had the flaps out during the hold, which further exacerbated the runback icing, (and subsequently retracted them, not unlike the Colgan accident)

Small point of contention: That accident differed from the Colgan accident with regards to flap retraction/operation. The flaps were retracted due to a flap overspeed warning during a descent (holding speed close to max flap), and the loss of control (due to uncommanded aileron movement) occurred at a point after the retraction. The flaps were not retracted as part of an attempted/botched recovery.

The flaps could also not be lowered again due to computer logic prohibiting flap extension when over max flap speed. That logic was removed after the accident.

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Old 01-26-2013, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
I'm sitting in CVG waiting to deadhead back to ATL, and I have two observations:

1) It's a beautiful new airport.
2) It's a beautiful new EMPTY airport.

I wonder what the losses are that the airport has experienced with the reduction in traffic leaving 2-3 concourses empty. What a contrast to ATL where you can't walk two feet without bumping into someone.
And yet the airport CEO wants to blow half a Billion dollars destroying both concourses and rebuilding B to where A is just to save one train stop. I think when she realizes she won't get anywhere near enough fake stimulus money from the federal government, and likewise won't be able to bond it out locally, she will either give up in disgrace or become further disillusioned and attempt to get the airlines to pay for it, which will cause further pull backs. If she takes it to another level of insanity and tries to get DHL and DAL to pay for it things could get ugly because they are the backbone of the airport now, yet they don't need to be there at current levels for DAL and especially at super hub status for DHL anymore than DL had to have a massive hub there. They could have an arbitrary hub just about anywhere and the airport board had better make sure they are humble enough to recognize that.

She is also trying hard to bribe a so called low cost carrier to come in, which will further depress DL's margins and cause a further reduction. She is reading from old airline econ 101 textbooks from the mid 90's and sincerely thinks that if a SWA or other LCC comes in there will be this magical "Southwest Effect" and fares will plummet and traffic will mushroom. But these days everyone is an LCC and even if they are "successful" getting JB to fly to JFK 3 times a day and SWA to fly to MDW, BWI and/or LUV, all that will do is cause DL to pull down proportioately on like routes in a religious attempt to preserve margins. JB would only harm a route or two, but tying the SWA network in might be enough to cause a complete DAL pullout of almost every route except hub to hub.

The result would be a severe hit to the already pulled back route footprint for direct flights, which would make the airport far less relevant for business travelers and businesses in general in the area, which will likely cause even more to consider leaving.

What they should be doing instead is kissing DHL and DAL's posteriors like there's no tomorrow and trying to become legitimate business partners giving the two big players what they need to keep the service they have while trying to reduce overhead as much as possible and running a sustainable facility while working better and harder with local businesses on broader issues to make the city/area more friendly to current and future business and be in a position to survive in the meantime while living to fight another day with the ability to quickly ramp up should things improve down the road.
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:12 PM
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Government 101: when people/companies stop using your product (post office) raise rates. When people/companies leave town because the taxes are too high (cleveland) or the schools/services etc are horrid (cleveland), raise taxes to make up the shortfall.

I don't know, but I think CVG is just too close to a better terminal facility in DTW. I don't think they need CVG to be big nor want it to compete against DTW. It's a shame, I'd love for CVG to be going gangbusters.

But how is the Cincinnati MSA doing right now anyways?
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
This done deliberately to ensure everyone knows it will be flown by older regional guys.
Ha! Well played, sir!

Well played.
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by bluejuice71
This is the latest bid for UCAL. This is what it looks like to work for an airline with some progression! I have a buddy is a 737 FO in EWR that was hired in 2006 & is only a couple hundred numbers away from EWR 737 CA. I'm a 2000 hire and I won't be able to hold 737 CA until June of 2021!!!! 21 years after I was hired. What a difference.

DEN 737 CA 2 76 95 95 19 Vacancies
DEN 737 FO - 79 94 94 15 Vacancies

NYC 737 CA 4 306 336 336 30 Vacancies
NYC 737 FO 1 305 322 322 17 Vacancies

IAH 737 CA 22 606 646 646 40 Vacancies
IAH 737 FO - 557 623 623 66 Vacancies

GUM 737 CA - 66 71 71 5 Vacancies
GUM 737 FO - 62 80 80 18 Vacancies

LAX 737 CA 4 83 95 95 12 Vacancies
LAX 737 FO - 84 95 95 11 Vacancies

ORD 737 CA - 73 90 90 17 Vacancies
ORD 737 FO - 76 89 89 13 Vacancies

737 CA Total 35 1,317 1,440 1,440 123 Vacancies
737 FO Total 1 1,266 1,406 1,406 140 Vacancies

NYC 756 CA 14 313 346 346 33 Vacancies
NYC 756 FO 1 371 489 489 118 Vacancies

IAH 756 CA 4 162 182 182 20 Vacancies
IAH 756 FO 1 134 226 226 92 Vacancies

756 CA Total 18 475 528 528 53 Vacancies
756 FO Total 2 505 715 715 210 Vacancies

NYC 777 CA 9 131 151 151 20 Vacancies
NYC 777 FO 4 339 345 345 6 Vacancies

IAH 777 CA 3 38 42 42 4 Vacancies
IAH 777 FO 1 92 95 95 3 Vacancies

777 CA Total 12 169 193 193 24 Vacancies
777 FO Total 5 431 440 440 9 Vacancies

IAH 787 CA 13 52 62 62 10 Vacancies
IAH 787 FO - 132 152 152 20 Vacancies

787 CA Total 13 52 62 62 10 Vacancies
787 FO Total - 132 152 152 20 Vacancies

System CA Total 78 2,013 2,223 2,223 210 Vacancies
System FO Total 8 2,334 2,713 2,713 379 Vacancies

System All Total 86 4,347 4,936 4,936 589 Vacancies

Just ask how good this is for Legacy UAL pilots. CAL guys should be careful power grabs are not good for unity going forward...

DAL is much better poised and will do some good things and we will benefit... I am to suffering from stagnation like many, I just personally would want any part of what is going to happen with that SLI integration. Hope I am wrong about their SLI future, but I really feel I am better off here longterm under this MGT team, this contract and overall QOL (for now, things change).... IMHO
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:11 PM
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Another pilot shortage article.

Arrival time for a pilot shortage? - chicagotribune.com
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by bluejuice71
This is the latest bid for UCAL. This is what it looks like to work for an airline with some progression! I have a buddy is a 737 FO in EWR that was hired in 2006 & is only a couple hundred numbers away from EWR 737 CA. I'm a 2000 hire and I won't be able to hold 737 CA until June of 2021!!!! 21 years after I was hired. What a difference.

DEN 737 CA 2 76 95 95 19 Vacancies
DEN 737 FO - 79 94 94 15 Vacancies

NYC 737 CA 4 306 336 336 30 Vacancies
NYC 737 FO 1 305 322 322 17 Vacancies

IAH 737 CA 22 606 646 646 40 Vacancies
IAH 737 FO - 557 623 623 66 Vacancies

GUM 737 CA - 66 71 71 5 Vacancies
GUM 737 FO - 62 80 80 18 Vacancies

LAX 737 CA 4 83 95 95 12 Vacancies
LAX 737 FO - 84 95 95 11 Vacancies

ORD 737 CA - 73 90 90 17 Vacancies
ORD 737 FO - 76 89 89 13 Vacancies

737 CA Total 35 1,317 1,440 1,440 123 Vacancies
737 FO Total 1 1,266 1,406 1,406 140 Vacancies

NYC 756 CA 14 313 346 346 33 Vacancies
NYC 756 FO 1 371 489 489 118 Vacancies

IAH 756 CA 4 162 182 182 20 Vacancies
IAH 756 FO 1 134 226 226 92 Vacancies

756 CA Total 18 475 528 528 53 Vacancies
756 FO Total 2 505 715 715 210 Vacancies

NYC 777 CA 9 131 151 151 20 Vacancies
NYC 777 FO 4 339 345 345 6 Vacancies

IAH 777 CA 3 38 42 42 4 Vacancies
IAH 777 FO 1 92 95 95 3 Vacancies

777 CA Total 12 169 193 193 24 Vacancies
777 FO Total 5 431 440 440 9 Vacancies

IAH 787 CA 13 52 62 62 10 Vacancies
IAH 787 FO - 132 152 152 20 Vacancies

787 CA Total 13 52 62 62 10 Vacancies
787 FO Total - 132 152 152 20 Vacancies

System CA Total 78 2,013 2,223 2,223 210 Vacancies
System FO Total 8 2,334 2,713 2,713 379 Vacancies

System All Total 86 4,347 4,936 4,936 589 Vacancies
No thanks. I'll stay where I am.
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Old 01-26-2013, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by HercDriver130
The ATR series of aircraft handle ice just fine if used as INTENDED by the manufacturer. I have nearly 1000 hours in the 42-300. The boots are intended for De-Icing...not Anti-icing....and thats rub...many crews would turn the on and leave them on..rather than cycle them off. Flew the ATR our of JFK to BOS, ALB, DCA, BDL and other points in the NE for over two years, down low, in the crap....never a problem.
The way you operated the boots is contrary to the post-Roselawn AD. At the first sign of ice, boots on, leave them on. The "pop the boots and turn 'em off" method is for Aztecs, not ATRs. Different design. I've spent many thousands of hours in the ATR in ice. Never seen bridging. Never. I think it's a myth left over from the DC-3.

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