Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-11-2013 | 03:56 PM
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I already stated my opinion and you didn't like it. I believe that the Pinnacle pilots met with us over scope negotiations and that satisfied the language of the Ford-Cooksey settlement. As I said before, that language is intentionally vague and you can drive a truck through it. It is that way because Delta pilots wanted it that way. You disagree and I respect your opinion, we happen to disagree. My concern was on the human side, Pinnacle is going from 181 jets to 81. That is a lot of human wreckage and as a fellow union member I believe in giving a hand to our fellow union members, I would welcome any Pinnacle pilot onto our list. Maybe I am going soft (or soft headed) in my old age.
I don't know anything about this other than the public press reports. I haven't spoken with anyone about this ever and I have no idea what anyone has said or didn't say, therefore I won't comment on speculation and hearsay, it is not fair to anyone involved. With great joy and relief, I am "out of the loop" and have no intention of getting back "in the loop".
I don't know what the MEC is thinking or the MEC Administration, I have not spoken with anyone about this. The last time I saw anyone from the administration was at a football party and thankfully we did not talk about ALPA crap. It is someone else's turn to worry about this junk because I am done with it. I assume that the MEC will address this in detail at the next meeting (tomorrow) and perhaps your rep (or incoming rep) can give a detailed recap.
I don't know anything about this other than the public press reports. I haven't spoken with anyone about this ever and I have no idea what anyone has said or didn't say, therefore I won't comment on speculation and hearsay, it is not fair to anyone involved. With great joy and relief, I am "out of the loop" and have no intention of getting back "in the loop".
I don't know what the MEC is thinking or the MEC Administration, I have not spoken with anyone about this. The last time I saw anyone from the administration was at a football party and thankfully we did not talk about ALPA crap. It is someone else's turn to worry about this junk because I am done with it. I assume that the MEC will address this in detail at the next meeting (tomorrow) and perhaps your rep (or incoming rep) can give a detailed recap.
All of your replies are appreciated. It is not usually a "like" or "dislike." We try to deal with objective facts. In this case the outgoing MEC Chair as well as our Negotiators stated there was no meeting with our MEC structure. That is a fact on record.
Since we own the flying, it is our treasure. I don't understand why all of us can't agree that it is in our best interest to know when someone makes a run on our treasure. We can defend better if we know what is coming. It is my opinion the Admin Manual protects us.
As for the human cost aren't there several ways to skin that cat? Just after the Pinnacle deal was inked, Teamsters members at Republic picked up 12 new 50 seat RJ's! Delta is paying to restore them with new interiors, paint and fresh C Checks.
Pinnacle is being staffed with "bungee bosses" on temporary assignment.
IMHO:
1) Pinnacle is an alter ego
2) The drama was manufactured to re start whipsaw and we (ALPA) played along as we do when we facilitate outsourcing
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P.S. You left some big shoes to fill if you are who some claim and if you are. Thank you for your responsiveness to my questions.
02-11-2013 | 04:07 PM
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From: A big one that looks like a little one
The Carl Spackler translation machine needs to be activated here:
Translation: Line pilots who don't speak from MEC talking points are angry, emotional dividers. Add additional name calling as needed.
Translation: I don't like it when people point out loopholes in a contract that I vehemently urged people to vote for. So I'll refer to you as "son" in an attempt to portray you as an inexperienced boob too new to have opinions.
Translation: I know he didn't say anything about what he had THEN, but I'll say this anyway in the hopes that nobody remembers it has nothing to do with TA's and their weaknesses. Especially as it relates to P2P volunteers who speak from MEC talking points and didn't learn the actual TA language.
Translation: Last ditch attempt to denigrate and change the subject so nobody even remembers what we were talking about. Now where is my copy of that Saul Alinsky book?
Carl
Translation: Line pilots who don't speak from MEC talking points are angry, emotional dividers. Add additional name calling as needed.
Translation: I don't like it when people point out loopholes in a contract that I vehemently urged people to vote for. So I'll refer to you as "son" in an attempt to portray you as an inexperienced boob too new to have opinions.
Translation: I know he didn't say anything about what he had THEN, but I'll say this anyway in the hopes that nobody remembers it has nothing to do with TA's and their weaknesses. Especially as it relates to P2P volunteers who speak from MEC talking points and didn't learn the actual TA language.
Translation: Last ditch attempt to denigrate and change the subject so nobody even remembers what we were talking about. Now where is my copy of that Saul Alinsky book?
Carl
You just keep trying and getting nowhere but you can't even find where to begin to get involved. Your decisive views are outside the mainstream and are therefore discredited by the pack mentality MEC. You most likely have no involvement besides lambasting your poor crews with your politics and your agenda, to their great dismay I'm sure. In order to modify the main stream though, and this is a lesson I learned winning a number of hard fought battles in the past - you can't change the flow of the main stream if you're not standing in it. Remember I said that - you may hear it again someday.
Who is Saul Alinsky?
02-11-2013 | 04:09 PM
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02-11-2013 | 04:12 PM
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02-11-2013 | 04:15 PM
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02-11-2013 | 04:24 PM
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The Carl Spackler translation machine needs to be activated here:
Translation: Line pilots who don't speak from MEC talking points are angry, emotional dividers. Add additional name calling as needed.
Translation: I don't like it when people point out loopholes in a contract that I vehemently urged people to vote for. So I'll refer to you as "son" in an attempt to portray you as an inexperienced boob too new to have opinions.
Translation: I know he didn't say anything about what he had THEN, but I'll say this anyway in the hopes that nobody remembers it has nothing to do with TA's and their weaknesses. Especially as it relates to P2P volunteers who speak from MEC talking points and didn't learn the actual TA language.
Translation: Last ditch attempt to denigrate and change the subject so nobody even remembers what we were talking about. Now where is my copy of that Saul Alinsky book?
Carl
Translation: Line pilots who don't speak from MEC talking points are angry, emotional dividers. Add additional name calling as needed.
Translation: I don't like it when people point out loopholes in a contract that I vehemently urged people to vote for. So I'll refer to you as "son" in an attempt to portray you as an inexperienced boob too new to have opinions.
Translation: I know he didn't say anything about what he had THEN, but I'll say this anyway in the hopes that nobody remembers it has nothing to do with TA's and their weaknesses. Especially as it relates to P2P volunteers who speak from MEC talking points and didn't learn the actual TA language.
Translation: Last ditch attempt to denigrate and change the subject so nobody even remembers what we were talking about. Now where is my copy of that Saul Alinsky book?
Carl
02-11-2013 | 04:25 PM
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From: A big one that looks like a little one
02-11-2013 | 04:28 PM
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02-11-2013 | 04:33 PM
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02-11-2013 | 04:39 PM
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Your post to TOGA was right out of Alinsky's book. No facts, just denigration and diversion.
If you're insulted by my reference to Alinsky and your posts, then stop behaving like some far left type that uses these tactics to make up for not having the truth on your side.
Carl
If you're insulted by my reference to Alinsky and your posts, then stop behaving like some far left type that uses these tactics to make up for not having the truth on your side.
Carl
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