Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major > Delta
Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta? >

Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

Search

Notices

Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-12-2013 | 01:13 PM
  #122571  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 5,113
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
So that's why there are so many three man trips on the ER?
We still have three-man trips?
Old 02-12-2013 | 01:17 PM
  #122572  
Moderator
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,088
Likes: 0
From: B757/767
Default

Originally Posted by Sink r8
We still have three-man trips?
I think those are the trips where the fed comes along. Or a LCA????
Old 02-12-2013 | 01:26 PM
  #122573  
forgot to bid's Avatar
veut gagner à la loterie
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 23,286
Likes: 0
From: Light Chop
Default

Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom
While I agree with most organizations "it would be cheaper to hire real professionals" ALPA pays their employees very, very well.

Take a look (CAUTION: IT MAY MAKE YOUR BLOOD BOIL!)
Union Facts: Air Line Pilots Leaders, Employees, and Salaries
So is the oil painter not on staff?

Old 02-12-2013 | 02:19 PM
  #122574  
forgot to bid's Avatar
veut gagner à la loterie
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 23,286
Likes: 0
From: Light Chop
Default

Fedelta, watch this

Old 02-12-2013 | 02:46 PM
  #122575  
Flamer's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,044
Likes: 3
From: Lowest Pay I Could Find
Default

Originally Posted by scambo1
The point isn't lost on anyone. DALPA will tell you that by the end of the contract you make the same as them though.

Of course you won't have their w-2...
The point was lost on over 60% of the pilot group. Not everyone has SWA buds they can rely on for factual information. So, how accurate was the data in the C2012 contract comparison provided by our own union? Intentionally misleading and covering up the truths that I think you are giving too many credit for awareness of.
Old 02-12-2013 | 03:31 PM
  #122576  
scambo1's Avatar
The Brown Dot +1
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,775
Likes: 0
From: 777B
Default

Originally Posted by Flamer
The point was lost on over 60% of the pilot group. Not everyone has SWA buds they can rely on for factual information. So, how accurate was the data in the C2012 contract comparison provided by our own union? Intentionally misleading and covering up the truths that I think you are giving too many credit for awareness of.
My issue with what was put out by our union is that; "by the end of the contract you will make what they make," (paraphrased) is (only half) true...So they (the DALPA sales team) stopped right there...They compared hourly rate to hourly rate.

As most here know, at SWA, (established) pay rates are only a part of the story. I am no expert on all the SWA pay rules. (Apparently, from a previous post, I am no expert on DAL pay rules either.)

If you compare W-2s, head to head, SWA pilots can make an a$$load more than we can.

I don't personally believe it makes a person an outlier or two standard deviations to the left or right to expect our collective bargaining agent to tell us the whole truth. It is not my desire to find fault, but I find it personally insulting to be lied to.

My own assessment is that the lies (or half truths) flow in order to further an agenda which, to me, seems counter to the true betterment of the DAL pilots. This is, in my viewpoint, true of the (perceived) lack of adherance to the contract surveys, the 717 won't come unless..., SWA pay, statements like "they aren't in our competitive set", statements like "outsourcing is good for DAL pilots", etc.

It seems as if DAL management has plenty of investable capital - or ties to get it. Trainer, VA, 76 seaters, etc. They just don't seem willing to invest it in Delta Air Lines directly unless they get a super duper deal...Okay, I get that.

The next big litmus test will be JV compliance. My prediction is...

Last edited by scambo1; 02-12-2013 at 03:42 PM.
Old 02-12-2013 | 03:33 PM
  #122577  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,707
Likes: 0
From: Permanently scarred
Default

Need to see more of this:

Old 02-12-2013 | 03:36 PM
  #122578  
Timbo's Avatar
Runs with scissors
 
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 7,847
Likes: 0
From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Default

Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
Need to see more of this:

I saw that in the ATL 777 A bid awards.

What I don't understand is, it shows him getting paid 61hrs. for being "Retired"?
Old 02-12-2013 | 03:40 PM
  #122579  
buzzpat's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 6,070
Likes: 1
From: Urban chicken rancher.
Default

Originally Posted by Timbo
I saw that in the ATL 777 A bid awards.

What I don't understand is, it shows him getting paid 61hrs. for being "Retired"?
Now THATs how you do it!!!
Old 02-12-2013 | 03:41 PM
  #122580  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,539
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Flamer
The point was lost on over 60% of the pilot group. Not everyone has SWA buds they can rely on for factual information. So, how accurate was the data in the C2012 contract comparison provided by our own union? Intentionally misleading and covering up the truths that I think you are giving too many credit for awareness of.
You mean the C2012 contract comparison that was completely plagiarized by SWAPA in their own contract preps?

Or that SWAPA memo that said DAL was going to pass them in contract value?

Intentionally misleading and covering up the truths...please.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
On Autopilot
Regional
22617
11-05-2021 07:03 AM
AeroCrewSolut
Delta
153
08-14-2018 12:18 PM
Bill Lumberg
Major
71
06-13-2012 08:36 AM
Quagmire
Major
253
04-16-2011 06:19 AM
JiffyLube
Major
12
03-07-2008 04:27 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices