forgot to bid

I would think AMR would prefer to be done with AS. Everyone says they'll merge and shrink, but why shrink if you can turn assets towards the west coast and undercut or knock out AS with a price war. And when I say knock out I mean force them into a merger to survive. If Delta helps you out and draws down AS just slightly then all the better. So maybe PHX has a purposepost merge and this is USAir which is usually the lowest priced ticket you can find when trying to talk someone out of a budshe pass.

We had a friend ask I'd for one to go LAX to MCO for funeral, most of USAirs prices were with twenty dollars of a buddy pass. SWA was $200 over the actual Delta ticket price and Delta was non stop.

Just a thought, minding of shooting from the hip.

johnso29

You need to clarify your statement. Are you referring to just the busy months? All months? Do you not understanding how the staffing formula works?

SailorJerry

Mainline has shrunk - but I think the 2014 measurement should be applied apples to apples with the RJ count. If you compare actual fleet totals there has been a noticeable decrease in total DCI airframes. Did you mean shrinking mainline - like less pilots on the seniority list? I don't mind looking forward to attrition over a 30 year career.

Apathetic line pilots did nothing to stop ALPA from what they were doing. If I thought they were wrong, I would have tried to stop them myself. But 200 pilots blowing up their reps email address isn't going to fix anything when the reps can call upon the silent majority for help. And yeah yeah. I know. 5100 cards. Whatever

The military chain of command mentality needs to go. It's not what I've always known. I've known a far better way to run an airline - and I'm starting to see it here, but I'm tired of feeling like a grunt. I'm a highly skilled member of the only labor group at this company that can turn an airplane into cash by flying it (and good on TechOps for fixing them for money)

Carl Spackler

Lee disagrees. And he's just proven it to you with the Pinnacle deal. You refusing to see it, doesn't make it so.

Do you really mean this, or is this sarcasm gone wrong?

Carl

johnso29

How? Explain please.

SailorJerry

I work for Delta Air Lines and collect a profit sharing check based on their ability to generate a RASM premium fleet wide. If we had those airplanes, the RASM premium would be lower, and so would my profit sharing check. I'm talking about me here. Working under the failed policies of the last 2 decades may cause your mileage to vary.

I can't do much to Lee with 50,000 mute pilots behind me, now can I? But he still works for me. And he'll do as he pleases until he causes 50,000 people to revolt. Which won't ever happen. So it's a mute point for debate, really.

Check Essential

Dude !!!

Contract 2000 777 12 YR Capt pay rate = $319.61

Current contract 777 12 YR Capt payrate = $254.74

I'd call that a concession.

SailorJerry

What was it in 2008?

Lies, #%+= lies, and statistics.

Concessions were 9 years ago. This is recovery at a reasonable pace.

johnso29

What was then 777 CA 12 yr payrate on our last contract? Is the payrate on our current contract higher?

Who currently makes $319 per hour operating a 777?

Check Essential

I disagree. Its not recovery at all. We will never get back to C2K at this rate.

These recent post bankruptcy contracts are ALPA conceding that a professional airline pilot's compensation has been permanently reset to a much lower level than we enjoyed prior to all the bankruptcies.

And that's just the payrates. Don't forget they got our pensions too.

Maybe it was inevitable. Maybe we were never really worth $319 and a 60% FAE DB. But let's call it what it is. Its not a reasonably paced recovery. Its the new normal.