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Old 02-16-2013 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer

The computers will be programmed to finesse the assignments, guaranteeing everybody flies to the contractual max under ultra lean staffing. You will both end up flying. PS- forget about getting requested days off approved. The new MO of the contract is quickly rolling to how the regionals run....fly everyone to the max until sick calls get too high then crack down on sick calls with more required carpet dances.
So you think Delta pilots aren't capable of flying 14 duty periods a month at an average credit of 4.28 credit hours per duty period? What a bunch of sissies. I flew well over 80 hours BLOCK on reserve before and I could do it again here.

And what are you talking about? Requested days off? So they're gonna tell the senior reserve he can't pick his days off?

Pilots have 100 hours of unverified sick leave available. They'll use it if they're on reserve. But the reserves are only 20% of the company. If the rest of the line holding pilots are at the TLV, I doubt they'll be so overworked they'll get sick. 76 hours a month? I could do that in 2 weeks and 4 days if it was all block. Based on my ratio here, I could do 76 credit hours in a week and 5 days. Where's the hard work? I don't see it.

They make drugs for this kind of paranoia. Were you ever an RJ pilot?
Old 02-16-2013 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Exactly correct. This is a different time now. Many in our former MEC bureaucracy have great allegiance to management. They've signed Non-Disclosure Agreements allowing them to just the right amount of "inside data" to keep them feeling like they're management insiders. They truly see their jobs as gaining as much inside information as possible to determine the best course of action, create the "done deal", then put our reps in the position of going along or being the spoiler. This is our new dynamic and it's showing no signs of changing. It makes LEC meetings meaningless as is proven by the examples JungleBus states above.

The lack of meeting attendance could be viewed as acquiescence to this new reality. But 5,100 cards sent to a website and an idea might say otherwise.

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Carl,

I would only add that ALPA does not want to be seen losing a fight.

The major cause is the RLA. The other dynamic is that outsourcing is perceived as a "win" for the Delta pilots and our MEC will do anything to keep trading one member's job to benefit another member.
Old 02-16-2013 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
I certainly didn't vote on anything to get us into this mess, but I'm happy my vote has resulted in 2 quarters of DCI shrinkage.
If you voted YES to the TA, then you voted to shrink mainline. Whether you voted to shrink DCI won't be known until that ratio is measured for the first time in January 2014.

Originally Posted by SailorJerry
It has nothing to do with bargaining agent.
It has everything to do with our bargaining agent. It was that bargaining agent that threw a fait accompli in front of our reps, then went on a one-sided sales campaign. Apathetic line pilots didn't do that. Our bargaining agent did.

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It has everything to do with those who follow the Delta Military chain of command and who are too apathetic to have a picture bigger than what their 4 year old puts on the fridge at home.
Agreed. But there's no doubt that DALPA follows management's military chain of command. That's part of the problem.

Originally Posted by SailorJerry
Fix the apathy, fix the culture.
Fix the military chain of command mentality, fix the culture. Militaristic mentalities in business fail. Just because its what you've only known, doesn't mean it's the only way. Too many in our union just don't get that.

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Old 02-16-2013 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer

I pretty much disagree with everything you said here (except for the part about ALPA not representing us) but whatever makes you feel good about voting yes for years more stagnation go for it. And I the deal was geared toward reducing the 50 seaters with carefully crafted talking point focus on "hey we are reducing the total number of RJ's system wide" (not already existing large RJ's) and you know it.
Can you briefly describe the significant differences between the CRJ-200 and the CRJ-900 besides length? And I mean significant. Like - what really makes them different from a pilot perspective. That's what you are, right? A pilot?

All I know is that RJs in 2010 > RJs in 2015. That's good enough for me.

I don't care about stagnation either. I'm not at a regional anymore. That's all the upward movement I ever wanted. If my life was so terrible in the bottom 1% of pilots, I'd have left long ago. So sorry you'll have to retire before you can pay off your house though.
Old 02-16-2013 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
So you think Delta pilots aren't capable of flying 14 duty periods a month at an average credit of 4.28 credit hours per duty period? What a bunch of sissies. I flew well over 80 hours BLOCK on reserve before and I could do it again here.

And what are you talking about? Requested days off? So they're gonna tell the senior reserve he can't pick his days off?

Pilots have 100 hours of unverified sick leave available. They'll use it if they're on reserve. But the reserves are only 20% of the company. If the rest of the line holding pilots are at the TLV, I doubt they'll be so overworked they'll get sick. 76 hours a month? I could do that in 2 weeks and 4 days if it was all block. Based on my ratio here, I could do 76 credit hours in a week and 5 days. Where's the hard work? I don't see it.

They make drugs for this kind of paranoia. Were you ever an RJ pilot?
Wow, I'll let you be judged by your own words in your last two posts. You sound like management, not any line pilot I know.
Old 02-16-2013 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
I think it was Tom Goodman, the retired guy that posts here occasionally, who remarked that the smartest thing management and ALPA did was move the B-scale off property. Sure, plenty of us have a problem with it, but most of us have no representation and no say at mainline...nobody showing up at their meetings causing messy scenes like you guys in the late 80s/early 90s. Those most affected at mainline are eternally junior, and can thus always be admonished to just be thankful they have a job by the likes of alfa & slowplay. Those who do show up at meetings, like the group of guys who worked on the "study and report" resolutions in 2008, have become used to their concerns being dismissed and their resolutions being tabled - and then criticized for not subsequently being involved enough .
Just as the B Scale guys fought and won, we who have suffered with outsourcing will have our day. We are not irrelevant we are just early. When Delta starts hiring legions of former RJ pilots the politics will change rapidly.
Old 02-16-2013 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dalad
Don't hold your breath here, but from what I've heard is that the code share with AS could be falling like a house of cards over their agreement with AMR. If you want to talk to a po'ed pilot group, it's the AS pilots over all the code sharing.
I would think AMR would prefer to be done with AS. Everyone says they'll merge and shrink, but why shrink if you can turn assets towards the west coast and undercut or knock out AS with a price war. And when I say knock out I mean force them into a merger to survive. If Delta helps you out and draws down AS just slightly then all the better. So maybe PHX has a purposepost merge and this is USAir which is usually the lowest priced ticket you can find when trying to talk someone out of a budshe pass.

We had a friend ask I'd for one to go LAX to MCO for funeral, most of USAirs prices were with twenty dollars of a buddy pass. SWA was $200 over the actual Delta ticket price and Delta was non stop.

Just a thought, minding of shooting from the hip.
Old 02-16-2013 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
The computers will be programmed to finesse the assignments, guaranteeing everybody flies to the contractual max under ultra lean staffing. You will both end up flying. PS- forget about getting requested days off approved. The new MO of the contract is quickly rolling to how the regionals run....fly everyone to the max until sick calls get too high then crack down on sick calls with more required carpet dances.
You need to clarify your statement. Are you referring to just the busy months? All months? Do you not understanding how the staffing formula works?
Old 02-16-2013 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

If you voted YES to the TA, then you voted to shrink mainline. Whether you voted to shrink DCI won't be known until that ratio is measured for the first time in January 2014.

It has everything to do with our bargaining agent. It was that bargaining agent that threw a fait accompli in front of our reps, then went on a one-sided sales campaign. Apathetic line pilots didn't do that. Our bargaining agent did.

Agreed. But there's no doubt that DALPA follows management's military chain of command. That's part of the problem.

Fix the military chain of command mentality, fix the culture. Militaristic mentalities in business fail. Just because its what you've only known, doesn't mean it's the only way. Too many in our union just don't get that.

Carl
Mainline has shrunk - but I think the 2014 measurement should be applied apples to apples with the RJ count. If you compare actual fleet totals there has been a noticeable decrease in total DCI airframes. Did you mean shrinking mainline - like less pilots on the seniority list? I don't mind looking forward to attrition over a 30 year career.

Apathetic line pilots did nothing to stop ALPA from what they were doing. If I thought they were wrong, I would have tried to stop them myself. But 200 pilots blowing up their reps email address isn't going to fix anything when the reps can call upon the silent majority for help. And yeah yeah. I know. 5100 cards. Whatever

The military chain of command mentality needs to go. It's not what I've always known. I've known a far better way to run an airline - and I'm starting to see it here, but I'm tired of feeling like a grunt. I'm a highly skilled member of the only labor group at this company that can turn an airplane into cash by flying it (and good on TechOps for fixing them for money)
Old 02-16-2013 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
I don't care what Lee Moak says - he works for me
Lee disagrees. And he's just proven it to you with the Pinnacle deal. You refusing to see it, doesn't make it so.

Originally Posted by SailorJerry
And yes, outsourced RJs are good for me - again - all independent analysis. Not talking points.
Do you really mean this, or is this sarcasm gone wrong?

Carl
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