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Old 02-16-2013 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Phuz
You have powerplant restrictions in your section 1 forbidding dci from operating geared turbofans? Thats news to me.
Not forbidding, but limited.
Old 02-16-2013 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
What % of their domestic flying can be codeshare flying done by JetBlue and Alaska? And look at their NB pay. Much lower then ours. Looks like they sold their NB guys out.
The fact is that they got that in bankruptcy... pay raises.
Old 02-16-2013 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
The fact is that they got that in bankruptcy... pay raises.
At what price? They lost a ton of flying to codeshare, plus they sold out the NB guys.
Old 02-16-2013 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1

I guess we'll watch SWA - who pays a bunch of their guys the equivalent of that to fly a 737 - turn supernova.

I think you need to go back to your independant analysis.

Someone earlier said that our union politics would change when we hire more regional guys...Not if their frame of reference is "wow, this is so much better than my regional."

Unfortunately, when this contract got voted in, the Delta pilots said "yup, this is the new normal."
The SWA pay scales are unsustainable if the economy drives ticket prices down again. They'll have a hard time raising the bar.

The regional guys, myself included, bring with us a healthy fear of bad decision making and awful management. We find a sustainable business model is much more pleasant to work under.

This was my first DAL contract. It was better than the previous. The new normal is a better contract every amendable date. Your normal is your fault. Not mine.
Old 02-16-2013 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
We haven't sold the farm on the true NextGen 70-110 seat jets have we? You say more efficient? The CRJ-900 isn't any more efficient today than it was in 2007.
They are much more efficient than the 50 seaters they are replacing and will be around for a much longer time. There has to be sunset provisions in the next contract...
Old 02-16-2013 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
At what price?
I don't know all the details of it- I know they let the cat out of the bag on the jumbo RJs, which pretty much matches us now (woo hoo, once again we help proliferate outsourcing!)... I believe the AS flying is pretty close to what they had previously.
Old 02-16-2013 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
The SWA pay scales are unsustainable if the economy drives ticket prices down again. They'll have a hard time raising the bar.

The regional guys, myself included, bring with us a healthy fear of bad decision making and awful management. We find a sustainable business model is much more pleasant to work under.

This was my first DAL contract. It was better than the previous. The new normal is a better contract every amendable date. Your normal is your fault. Not mine.
Set your expectations higher. You're a mainline pilot now.
Old 02-16-2013 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
So if we fly the jets, and increase the cost on them 25% per block hour, then any money you may have been making on an RJ just got blown out the tail pipe. So if Delta pays Pinnacle $750 per hour to operate a CRJ-900 but makes $800 in revenue from said product, where exactly do you think that $50 goes? Hint. Not to Pinnacle.

Are you suggesting that Delta could operate the aircraft more profitably than Pinnacle or GoJets?
Only you are magically increasing your costs 25% to draw this picture. Nobody ever proposed bringing arrjays to DAL @ 25% increase. Even if you increase the crew pay - which again nobody mentioned - the "synergies" from overhead in management/soc/office rendundancies would offset a significant portion of your self-imposed cost increase.

I already know that you can't write, but apparently you can't read either because I said nothing of being more profitable. I said that if Hulas can make money, you can too.
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

They are much more efficient than the 50 seaters they are replacing and will be around for a much longer time. There has to be sunset provisions in the next contract...
And there's less of them. Sunset provisions would be good but with the impending regional beat down well in the works, would you rather have 4/8/3/3 or RJs? You know as well I do that the company wouldn't have done both. That's why absorption will work better than sunsets.
Old 02-16-2013 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
And there's less of them. Sunset provisions would be good but with the impending regional beat down well in the works, would you rather have 4/8/3/3 or RJs? You know as well I do that the company wouldn't have done both. That's why absorption will work better than sunsets.
Is 223 more than 153? Help me out with the math.

Who are we absorbing? Sunset provisions are absolutely crucial.

Maybe we should have held out for better.
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