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02-16-2013 | 07:52 AM

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Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by JungleBus

Those who do show up at meetings, like the group of guys who worked on the "study and report" resolutions in 2008, have become used to their concerns being dismissed and their resolutions being tabled - and then criticized for not subsequently being involved enough

Exactly correct. This is a different time now. Many in our former MEC bureaucracy have great allegiance to management. They've signed Non-Disclosure Agreements allowing them to just the right amount of "inside data" to keep them feeling like they're management insiders. They truly see their jobs as gaining as much inside information as possible to determine the best course of action, create the "done deal", then put our reps in the position of going along or being the spoiler. This is our new dynamic and it's showing no signs of changing. It makes LEC meetings meaningless as is proven by the examples JungleBus states above.

The lack of meeting attendance could be viewed as acquiescence to this new reality. But 5,100 cards sent to a website and an idea might say otherwise.

Carl

02-16-2013 | 08:03 AM

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Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by slowplay

What a load of BUNK!

In the last 4 months the MEC elected a new MEC Chairman. Several major committees and appointed positions turned over. The negotiating committee went from 4 to 3. The EVP changed. There are 9 new voting reps out of 19 votes taking office March 1.

You whine because the results don't fit YOUR set of politics.

Clamp is exactly correct. Turnover has nothing to do with what he's saying. The question is: Will this turnover be rendered meaningless by Mr. Moak doing more Pinnacle-style deals without any DALPA involvement at all? Was that a one time event, or was Mr. Moak shooting across our bow by saying: "Change all the personnel you want, but if they don't agree with me...I'll show you how fast I can make them irrelevant."

That's the politics many of us are speaking about. Now if you really want to engage on this issue, answer those concerns. Again it's not about the bottom up ability to create turnover, it's about the ability for bottom up changes to operation.

Carl

02-16-2013 | 08:33 AM

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DARR31

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Originally Posted by CAAC ATP

If rumors are true about 321s and categories are fat, especially the Airbus, I would think Delta could ramp up Seattle feed extremely fast.

As much as I would love to see some mainline narrow body aircraft at SEA to compete with AS and SWA, you know that DAL would start out with RJs first!

02-16-2013 | 08:42 AM

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NuGuy

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

There are some great videos on teh intertubez of russian driving. Chaos best describes it....

Absolutely amazing event today. That was "only" about a 300 kiloton blast and exploded 15-20 miles up- and look at the damage it caused.

I wonder how many pairs of shorts had to be changed that day...

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02-16-2013 | 08:45 AM

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scambo1

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

We have been told many many times that DALPA is a union and ALPA is an association because the RLA prohibits ALPA being a union (or something to that effect). So, if Moak cuts deals with DAL without DALPA involvement, hasn't he already shown his hand?

02-16-2013 | 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DARR31

As much as I would love to see some mainline narrow body aircraft at SEA to compete with AS and SWA, you know that DAL would start out with RJs first!

Thanks...wet blanket, but exactly right.

02-16-2013 | 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Lifeisgood

Bingo! I agree completely.
The circus is entertaining, but you can’t change them. 20 years ago I was a Kool-aid drinker myself. They will grow out of it.

I would care to wager the Kool-aide wasn't as tainted 2 decades ago?

02-16-2013 | 11:44 AM

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I'm becoming a little bit concerned, because some of the rumors are turning more positive. At times, I've noticed those are used to offset some sort of ugly reality, existing or impending.

(about 75% TIC)

02-16-2013 | 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sink r8

I think it's all a nefarious plan to drive down the AS stock price before we buy them. We are a cynical crowd, aren't we?

02-16-2013 | 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Roadkill

And I will tell you that I almost UNIVERSALLY DISAGREE with the interpretations on the numbers and usage that are posted by johnso, as well as sailingfun and slowplay.

Woah! I've been lumped in with sailingfun & slowplay! I guess I need to reduce my optimism about Delta!