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Old 02-26-2013 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
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ALV + 15 is a negative for the Pilot group. The question is how big a negative? I guess I am a contrarian on this issue because I don't think it will be that bad. Here are my reasons:
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I don't know the exact numbers, but I'd guess that the ATL 88 A + B categories alone is less than a year ago. If utilization is up now, I think it's logical to say the summer utilization will be even greater.

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Old 02-26-2013 | 04:52 PM
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Looks like the nail in the coffin for Kingfisher.

Ministry to give Kingfisher local slots, global flying rights to other carriers - Livemint
Old 02-26-2013 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
Sailing isn't a rep. I don't really begrudge anyone for voting how they did. The reserve rules weren't even why I voted no. But I have to admit, it's turning out to be a bigger factor that I would have thought. I personally think the vote was rushed, the time factor was artificially imposed by the company, and for some reason, our union bought into that concept. I've often found from experience that when something is presented as time limited and all or nothing, it's often done as a strategy to get the buyer to "buy" without due diligence. I just hate to see the quality of life stuff given up for any price. Many people are at a point in their career where much of what's sacrificed won't affect them personally. Having a union with a cohesive strategy should alleviate the tendency to sell something that "won't affect me" for straight cash. You have to just know that the goal of the company is to get it's pilots to work as much as possible, whenever needed, for as little as possible. Lowering that bar is not something that any agreement should allow without exhaustive consideration.
Well stated.
Old 02-26-2013 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
At least he's blocking a shot. If he were a Vancouver Canuck, he would jump out of the way of the shot AND THEN take a dive on the follow through of the stick.
As a Vancouver native I'm offended!! Vancouver is most definitely not French!!

Actually it's tough to be a Canuck fan. Has been ever since I can remember. Maybe that's why I was a die hard oilers fan. Although they've sucked or years. Anyone up for a gladiators game?
Old 02-26-2013 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by hoserpilot
As a Vancouver native I'm offended!! Vancouver is most definitely not French!!

Actually it's tough to be a Canuck fan. Has been ever since I can remember. Maybe that's why I was a die hard oilers fan. Although they've sucked or years. Anyone up for a gladiators game?
Oilers have some great young talent. They look like they could become contenders quick.

And obviously the citizens of Vancouver are more tough then the Canucks players. Look what happened when they lost the Stanley Cup Finals in 2011.
Old 02-26-2013 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
How many NYC 7ERB displacements are some predicting? I'm hoping to hang on too.
During the base visit, Crew Resources said somewhere between 20-50 ERB displacements but would not hint on what side of that figure it would be. Seems to be a moving target and in reality it depends on how many AE off to the 717A.
Old 02-26-2013 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
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ALV + 15 is a negative for the Pilot group. The question is how big a negative? I guess I am a contrarian on this issue because I don't think it will be that bad. Here are my reasons:


Most will never see ALV +15. Guys are done above the ALV unless they want to fly more. For every unlucky guy that gets nailed with the 16 hour trip at ALV-1 another will get the 11 hour trip at ALV-10.



So basically a guy has just as much of a chance to be done at ALV+1 as ALV +15. Lets just assume the average guy that is forced to fly over ALV will end up around ALV + 7.5 (law of averages).


ALV + 15 only helps toward the months end. As I have said before the constraints for reserves are usually Holidays, Weekends, and IROP events. ALV + 15 does nothing for these for at least the first three weeks of the months.


So if the company tries to significantly cut back on reserves assigned there will be less reserves for the weekends, holidays, and IROPs. This will result in more white-slips, green-slips, or cancellations.


Don't get me wrong - there will be a few guys who get hosed by ALV + 15 and will probably end up with ALV + 14:55 and get ridden hard and put away wet, so to speak. But that happens to guys randomly every summer. Maybe a few more guys will get abused, hell probably a few more guys, but for the reasons I listed above I don't think it will significantly affect the majority of guys on reserve.


I have been on and off reserve for 13+ years and this is how I see it. I am interested in hearing the opinions of the guys who think the ALV +15 will really kill us. Not just "we will all be abused on reserve" but specifically how it will go down and how ALV + 15 will contribute to more that a few guys getting abused.


Finally, you can argue that even one guy getting abused by ALV + 15 is one guy too many. This is a different argument and one that I don't necessarily disagree with, but that is a whole different issue - I want to know how the ALV + 15 issue will be as overwhelmingly negative for the whole Pilot group as some on here seem to think.


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Part of it is the staffing model. How will delta plan the use or reserves is the key. It does not effect PBS min staffing but it DOES affect the fluff they plan on keeping above it once we start hiring. My guess is about 100-200 pilots system wide.
Old 02-26-2013 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rogue24
During the base visit, Crew Resources said somewhere between 20-50 ERB displacements but would not hint on what side of that figure it would be. Seems to be a moving target and in reality it depends on how many AE off to the 717A.
System wide or just in NYC?
Old 02-26-2013 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
System wide or just in NYC?
Sounded like system. I was on a stopover in ATL and it was their crew room visit there so it could have been just ATL. They did not break it out though.

I assumed most of the staffing hit on the ER would be in ATL where the 717's are going to be based. Easier to push pilots down if needed.
Old 02-26-2013 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by hoserpilot
Anyone up for a gladiators game?
I love taking my 6 yr old to the games. He loves hockey! The Gladiators have been steadily improving and it's always a good time
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