TenYearsGone

What are these? ROR, SPN, GUM and HNL? Am I missing any?

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TANSTAAFL

I don't see how 20 737 crews offset the 53 DC9 crews that will be displaced out of DTW on this AE. Also very unlikely any of those could hold 737 A or B (or 320 which is going to have FO MD's)

I get that it is likely to be a 365 conversion bid and that some might find their way to the DTW 717 on the next AE before training but many junior pilots will be subject to possibly two training cycles. The really junior FO's might have no where to go but ATL 717, but I see most DC9 A's MD'ing to WB FO rather than ATL 717A which will then waterfall displacements throughout the system as junior WB FO's MD into lower paying categories.

The only caveat I see to that is if the company decides to have a commensurate number of DTW WB vacancies or hold an excess in those categories.

forgot to bid

Or, they're overstaffed.

They'll get plenty of 88 crews over to the 717 even if guys don't AE into it. The 88 is the lowest airplane on the totem poll not being closed so just MD them to the 717, same effect.

Besides we add about 2 dozen pilots in ATL M88B next month. I think MSP MDed pilots off the 88 recently, maybe I am remembering that wrong. Flew with a CVG guy who can barely keep landing currency. I dont know, I just dont think they need as many pilots per plane as they used to.

johnso29

The company's flavor of the month(or year maybe) is overstaffed. But I wouldn't be surprised if they ran the bid multiple times to minimize displacements. And one has to wonder what's cheaper. Keeping pilots still in a fat category, or a cascading waterfall of displacements resulting is massive $$$$ spent on training.

The Cavalier

Hmmmm....wonder why that is?

flyallnite

Sailing isn't a rep. I don't really begrudge anyone for voting how they did. The reserve rules weren't even why I voted no. But I have to admit, it's turning out to be a bigger factor that I would have thought. I personally think the vote was rushed, the time factor was artificially imposed by the company, and for some reason, our union bought into that concept. I've often found from experience that when something is presented as time limited and all or nothing, it's often done as a strategy to get the buyer to "buy" without due diligence. I just hate to see the quality of life stuff given up for any price. Many people are at a point in their career where much of what's sacrificed won't affect them personally. Having a union with a cohesive strategy should alleviate the tendency to sell something that "won't affect me" for straight cash. You have to just know that the goal of the company is to get it's pilots to work as much as possible, whenever needed, for as little as possible. Lowering that bar is not something that any agreement should allow without exhaustive consideration.

forgot to bid

is it really the flavor of the month or just life post contract

A transition period if you will

gloopy

Ha. The landscape of the industry definately is changing. I think what we're seeing though is a massive fantasy bubble, propped up by governments as always, with many foreign airlines that are making this new era paradigm possible. I don't think its sustainable though, and I know it can't last. In the meantime though, the legacies absolutely have to do something about it.

Some may think (not saying you do) that the new era "nationals" (yeah I know, everyone is a major these days including most regionals, yadda yadda) like AS and JB can just network the world and help the foreign airlines poach a dozen or three pax off of each flight while getting free revenue can continue. This isn't 2001 anymore and the days of free fire poaching appear to be over, even in the capacity dicipline world. After taking a ton of broadside fire and direct hit after direct hit, DL is finally firing warning shots back. Hopefully the others will follow.

80ktsClamp

It's definitely not just the flavor of the month word considering them tossing the word around at least 6 times each monthly update for as long as I can remember.

forgot to bid

Yeah how is your jet overstaffed too?