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Old 02-27-2013 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
If ALV is 80, your guarantee is 78, so at 77:59 you're good for another trip. Only when you hit 78 are you done.

You're good for a 17:01 trip then!

IIRC rsv guarantee does not go above 78, amirite?

So if ALV is 82, then you can be taken at 77:59 for a 19:01 trip instead.
Reserve guarantee will never be less then 72 but never more then 80 hours.

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Old 02-27-2013 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
You're not full until you exceed ALV. Once you exceed ALV, you can't be assigned any more trips; but you still have to complete the one you're currently on (which could be as high as ALV+15). ALV-2 is the reserve guarantee.

The contract states this...

Sec 23 d.2

A reserve pilot will NOT be required to remain on call after his accumulated credit equals or exceeds his reserve guarantee.

Guarantee is ALV-2, so I think you're full at ALV-2.
Old 02-27-2013 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
The contract states this...

Sec 23 d.2

A reserve pilot will NOT be required to remain on call after his accumulated credit equals or exceeds his reserve guarantee.

Guarantee is ALV-2, so I think you're full at ALV-2.
The rub is going to be how much Skeds modify pairings to keep people just under the limit. My strategy will be to YS to just over the ALV then turn off the phone.
Old 02-27-2013 | 09:48 AM
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The first real test of the recently added PWA language efficacy will be when it comes to how PWA 1.E.8 applies to the VA JV....
I will be the first to admit that I was underwhelmed that all we managed to secure is 75% of Delta's share of the revenue to be flown by Delta pilots.
After all the Transatlantic JV secures nearly 100% of Delta's revenue share to be flown by Delta pilots.

Yet Delta purchasing a 49% financial stake in Virgin Atlantic is something completely different from any JV agreement we've had in the past. Here's what it says in the PWA when it comes to Delta's revenue share of JV and how that relates to what percentage of flying will be performed by Delta pilots:
PWA 1.E.8
...in each trailing twelve-month period measured...each calendar quarter, the Company’s share of revenue block hours flown under the profit/loss sharing agreement will be at least 75% of the Company’s share of revenue...
  • Delta has a 49% share in Virgin Atlantic Revenue.
  • Delta has a 100% share in Delta Revenue.
  • Delta has a 74.5% share of the total DAL VA JV revenue.

Delta pilots should fly 55.8% of all DAL/VA JV flying
(per PWA 1.E.8 75% share of Delta's 74.5% JV revenue share)

If our NC can use 1.E.8 to secure 55.8% of the Delta Virgin JV flying for Delta pilots it will be a huge win and a big increase in WB Europe flying.

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Old 02-27-2013 | 09:50 AM
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What I said: (note the bolding)

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Ok, so if they push the rsv to just under ALV-2, then they can use him all the way up to ALV+15.

That's good for an additional 4-day, when previously they would have been done.

That is a MAJOR give...
Here's what you asked:

Originally Posted by johnso29
Can they? If reserve pay is ALV-2(ALV 82), & the reserve is at 80 hours credit then isn't he full?
If he is at 80 hours, then yes, he is full.. if he is at 79:59, he is not full and up for up to a 17:01 trip. I'm not sure how what I stated was confusing.
Old 02-27-2013 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
If he is at 80 hours, then yes, he is full.. if he is at 79:59, he is not full and up for up to a 17:01 trip. I'm not sure how what I stated was confusing.
You stated "just under ALV-2" which I read as ALV-2. That's what happens before I've has my coffee.

Regardless, none of us will be correct until we have solid data to back up our individual theories. Until then, all of us debating over what will happen is pointless.
Old 02-27-2013 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
You stated "just under ALV-2" which I read as ALV-2. That's what happens before I've has my coffee.
Old 02-27-2013 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Regardless, none of us will be correct until we have solid data to back up our individual theories. Until then, all of us debating over what will happen is pointless.
What I've stated isn't theory... that's cold hard math on what they can do. How much they will take advantage of it is yet to be seen, but it is available to them as a tool now thanks to that concession.
Old 02-27-2013 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
What I've stated isn't theory... that's cold hard math on what they can do. How much they will take advantage of it is yet to be seen, but it is available to them as a tool now thanks to that concession.
I never meant that they couldn't do it. I meant how much they utilize it is what's debatable.
Old 02-27-2013 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Ferd, going for non sequitur post of the year. ...





FO Version



Captain version ?


What the heck has any of this got to do with Average Line Value and the fact Delta's min staffing model is going to be green slip heaven (if you're into that kind of thing)? I wouldn't get my hands dirty with any of them, but Jennifer Grey, pre rhinoplasty as a aerobatic pilot in Wind kinda caught my fancy as something I could get into.
Oh you know me.........weird thoughts. You were talking about cutting up trips while I was watching tile guys cutting up tiles to fit around corners and into closets. I think that takes more talent than cutting up airline trips

Not too serious today are we????

Anyway........off to a spring training baseball game. Enjoy the day.

Ferd
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