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06-30-2013 | 05:21 PM
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My point is the payroll will not be any different because we want LGP. If the next contract would have brought a 10% increase, it will still be a 10% increase no matter what kind of pay we want.
You referred to it as a paycut.
So how do you sell it if some guys are going to get a 1% pay raise while others get a 15% pay raise. Do you really think something like that would pass a vote?
Frankly, it will depend on each individual's POV. If ego and penis envy is at play, then you are right, it will probably go down in flames. If a long term look is taken, it should sell itself. Look at the fleet plan. Downgaging. What if the 747s go away. Paycuts all around. Oh goody, where do I sign up for more of that? Compare the fleets of DAL and UAL. They have 156 "super premium" aircraft. We have 34. One has to be pretty special to fly a 777 here, there, you can have so-so seniority and be in it.
Further, how do you handle staffing as you shift to LGP? Do you rebid the entire airline?
Hell, f'in no. The AE process will take care of it.
Cause a guy who is sitting junior reserve at a crappy crashpad at LGA is not going to want to stay there if his pay is the same either way.
Ahhh, so now QOL is important all of a sudden? Why hasn't it been up until this very moment? Or are you saying that he might get bumped out of that crappy crashpad to go fly.. oh I don't know.. the 777???
Again, for every pilot who gets a good deal someone else will get the shaft.
I disagree. Your deal might not be as good as someone else's, but I would hardly call it "getting the shaft" It would be a process, and it would take time. I would call sitting in that crappy crashpad in NY "getting the shaft" when that same guy might be able to drive to work in ATL on something else. There are 11,000 opinions about what is the ideal gig. Choice is something we do not really have right now.
A pilot who is junior in ATL but not commuting may well be forced to commute when that senior pilot who was commuting to LGA for the money decides to come home.
I highly doubt it, because if all the pablum about the upcoming pilot shortage is anything other than a bunch of hot air, there will be enough movement to absorb this. This is a unique time to make this kind of change.
How far do you run out the pay scale? 20 years? 25 years? How do you set it up so a pilot gets a raise every year for 25 years without lowering the rates for years 1-12?
40 years. You can get hired at 23 with an ATP. Retirement age is 65. I rounded down.
LGP creates more problems than it solves. It's a pipe dream for few lazy pilots who want 777 pay without having to commute to a base where the 777 is flown.
Not only is that wrong, it is insulting. My reasoning for it is to improve QOL AND career income for more (young) pilots. The super premium argument is all about ego and greed and paying more to fewer. Apparently you are good with that. I'm not, and to be clear, I am happy with my lot in life. I plan on staying on the 767 until I retire. I am happy with the money I am making here, and I enjoy what I do. My motivations have nothing to do with getting 777 pay without having to commute. That is a moot point anyway, since I won't be able to hold the 777 until I am 63 and by then I am planning on sailing around New Zealand on my days off and not sitting reserve in some stinky crashpad for "the big bucks". QOL baby....
My point is the payroll will not be any different because we want LGP. If the next contract would have brought a 10% increase, it will still be a 10% increase no matter what kind of pay we want.
You referred to it as a paycut.
So how do you sell it if some guys are going to get a 1% pay raise while others get a 15% pay raise. Do you really think something like that would pass a vote?
Frankly, it will depend on each individual's POV. If ego and penis envy is at play, then you are right, it will probably go down in flames. If a long term look is taken, it should sell itself. Look at the fleet plan. Downgaging. What if the 747s go away. Paycuts all around. Oh goody, where do I sign up for more of that? Compare the fleets of DAL and UAL. They have 156 "super premium" aircraft. We have 34. One has to be pretty special to fly a 777 here, there, you can have so-so seniority and be in it.
Further, how do you handle staffing as you shift to LGP? Do you rebid the entire airline?
Hell, f'in no. The AE process will take care of it.
Cause a guy who is sitting junior reserve at a crappy crashpad at LGA is not going to want to stay there if his pay is the same either way.
Ahhh, so now QOL is important all of a sudden? Why hasn't it been up until this very moment? Or are you saying that he might get bumped out of that crappy crashpad to go fly.. oh I don't know.. the 777???
Again, for every pilot who gets a good deal someone else will get the shaft.
I disagree. Your deal might not be as good as someone else's, but I would hardly call it "getting the shaft" It would be a process, and it would take time. I would call sitting in that crappy crashpad in NY "getting the shaft" when that same guy might be able to drive to work in ATL on something else. There are 11,000 opinions about what is the ideal gig. Choice is something we do not really have right now.
A pilot who is junior in ATL but not commuting may well be forced to commute when that senior pilot who was commuting to LGA for the money decides to come home.
I highly doubt it, because if all the pablum about the upcoming pilot shortage is anything other than a bunch of hot air, there will be enough movement to absorb this. This is a unique time to make this kind of change.
How far do you run out the pay scale? 20 years? 25 years? How do you set it up so a pilot gets a raise every year for 25 years without lowering the rates for years 1-12?
40 years. You can get hired at 23 with an ATP. Retirement age is 65. I rounded down.
LGP creates more problems than it solves. It's a pipe dream for few lazy pilots who want 777 pay without having to commute to a base where the 777 is flown.
Not only is that wrong, it is insulting. My reasoning for it is to improve QOL AND career income for more (young) pilots. The super premium argument is all about ego and greed and paying more to fewer. Apparently you are good with that. I'm not, and to be clear, I am happy with my lot in life. I plan on staying on the 767 until I retire. I am happy with the money I am making here, and I enjoy what I do. My motivations have nothing to do with getting 777 pay without having to commute. That is a moot point anyway, since I won't be able to hold the 777 until I am 63 and by then I am planning on sailing around New Zealand on my days off and not sitting reserve in some stinky crashpad for "the big bucks". QOL baby....
06-30-2013 | 05:23 PM
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Maybe there are more 777's in our future. We would need 10 777LR's to do JNB.DXB, and JFK-SIA, LAX-SIA and LAX-SYD and we have 10. That leaves the 8 777-200ER's to fly the other 777 routes and it's not enough.
I still think they re buying the increased gross weight 330's, they could do some of the DTW and MSP 777 routes. We should find out the end of July. I have no argument with the "I'll believe it when I see it" crowd on this either, we have had our hopes crushed too many times on supposed airplane orders.
Just to pull Carl's chain; unless somebody pays us to take more 747's I think we have all the 747-400's we are going to operate. There is a reason those aircraft are so cheap, you can't give them away.
I still think they re buying the increased gross weight 330's, they could do some of the DTW and MSP 777 routes. We should find out the end of July. I have no argument with the "I'll believe it when I see it" crowd on this either, we have had our hopes crushed too many times on supposed airplane orders.
Just to pull Carl's chain; unless somebody pays us to take more 747's I think we have all the 747-400's we are going to operate. There is a reason those aircraft are so cheap, you can't give them away.
Ding ding ding.. We have a winner. (I'll believe more 777s when I see a widget on the tail though)
06-30-2013 | 05:26 PM
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06-30-2013 | 06:21 PM
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06-30-2013 | 06:37 PM
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06-30-2013 | 07:11 PM
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I love all 3 kinds that they offer. One is just loaded with crab. So delicious! The 9 lb porter is also one of my favorite beers from there too.
06-30-2013 | 07:20 PM
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Delta eyes service gap from SIA exit
Published June 29, 2013
Delta eyes service gap from SIA exit
It wants slice of business class market from Singapore to New York and Los Angeles
By
Nisha Ramchandani
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DELTA98743
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DELTA Air Lines, which has overhauled its business class product for its trans-Pacific routes, is looking to carve out a slice of Singapore Airlines' market share when SIA suspends its non-stop services to New York and Los Angeles this year.
"Our main focus right now is to win and secure that corporate business class market to and from Singapore. Historically, a large part of that market flew on SIA, so that business is going to become available to the competitive set," said Jeffrey Bernier, Delta's managing director (Asia Pacific), adding that SIA had cornered the lion's share with non-stop service to two of the biggest markets.
Last year, SIA announced that it would be axing two of the longest flights in the world, its direct services to New York and to Los Angeles out of Singapore. SIA will continue operating its services to New York (via Frankfurt) and to Los Angeles (via Tokyo).
Delta eyes service gap from SIA exit
Published June 29, 2013
Delta eyes service gap from SIA exit
It wants slice of business class market from Singapore to New York and Los Angeles
By
Nisha Ramchandani
[email protected]
print |email this article
DELTA98743
Singapore
DELTA Air Lines, which has overhauled its business class product for its trans-Pacific routes, is looking to carve out a slice of Singapore Airlines' market share when SIA suspends its non-stop services to New York and Los Angeles this year.
"Our main focus right now is to win and secure that corporate business class market to and from Singapore. Historically, a large part of that market flew on SIA, so that business is going to become available to the competitive set," said Jeffrey Bernier, Delta's managing director (Asia Pacific), adding that SIA had cornered the lion's share with non-stop service to two of the biggest markets.
Last year, SIA announced that it would be axing two of the longest flights in the world, its direct services to New York and to Los Angeles out of Singapore. SIA will continue operating its services to New York (via Frankfurt) and to Los Angeles (via Tokyo).
Didn't we just have a A330 successfully fly non stop from SIA to ATL? And aren't we rumored to be buying 10-12 A330s very soon? Hmmm........
Now granted that A330 was empty, but could it do SIA-LAX?
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06-30-2013 | 07:23 PM
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Hopefully in the event of an AK merger their scope...or lack thereof would be considered in any SLI with DAL. Not that our scope is that great, but like someone said earlier...the bottom 40% of our list would be KILLED in a merger with AK. A lot of CA's in their late 30's at AK.
Also, I don't think it'd be anywhere near that bad. AS has a pretty small pilot group.
06-30-2013 | 07:24 PM
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06-30-2013 | 07:39 PM
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I wouldn't think anything else could do it other than a 777LR.
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