Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-17-2013, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
Why, that's because the training department is infallible. The instructors have extensive recency of experience on the line, and the distributed training is both informative and completely comprehensive. Now, back to highlighting the entire F.O.M.
Otoh ...some of those guys are pretty knowledgeable, just wish they were seniority list instructors.
04-17-2013, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
True. Using the logic applied to takeoffs, we should all just chop the power at 50 feet, maintain Vref+5 until impact and apply maximum braking and reverse thrust until a complete stop on a 2 mile long runway. Because someday when its raining in LGA we'll just float all they way down to the end and into the drink. 
04-17-2013, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by hammer189
Amen Brother!
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04-17-2013, 06:34 PM
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For you 747 fans, a behind the scenes look at a BA 744 overhaul
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04-17-2013, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
Well said sir. I was in SVO when the 767 tailstrike happened. I heard it was a new hire FO, which makes sense because at the time the sim instructors were all breathing down your neck (literally) about "getting that nose up to V2-V2+10 right away!!!" The sim just doesn't rotate like an aft CG 7ER on a cold day. Maybe he rotated early too, I don't know, but I completely agree we are teaching a method that should really be considered a Transport Category airplane's version of a short field takeoff. No need to do anything quickly in a 400,000lb airplane.
So do RJ pilots really pop it off the runway, or is that just a rumor?
04-17-2013, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by hammer189
Amen Brother!
Good prep for operating Douglas jets.
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04-17-2013, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DARR31
So do RJ pilots really pop it off the runway, or is that just a rumor?
I'm a former corporate jet, RJ puke and instructors have been telling me to rotate faster ever since I got to Delta.
Like most of the experienced hands; it is best to slowly rotate to the appropriate pitch attitude and let it fly off unless you're not seeing red and white lights any more.
Some very good friends of Carl and mine are dead due to over aggressive rotation to nail V2. They were doing aircraft certification work, but the lessons they learned are worth repeating. Importantly; stalls in ground effect are not well documented and are not tested. While the Boeing fleet is generally limited by it's geometry (tail strikes) the Douglas fleet is not. Usually the stalling AOA in ground effect is 15 to 20% less than in free air and the propagation is instant and ugly. Especially when cross controlled the Douglas fleet did not leave me with the warm and fuzzy that the wing had a whole lot more left to give.
Guess what other airplane the folks that gave our friends the bad data worked on ... Again, my procedure in Douglas is fast as I can justify until the Captain begins to complain, then back it off 1 knot.
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04-18-2013, 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by DARR31
I've heard this story before and would like to know if he was an RJ driver as the rumor goes. The reason I ask is that I am one of those 07' hires that went to the ER as my first plane at Delta. I am on the 737 now and get a lot of Captains I fly with in the opening breifing telling me not to rotate fast like I am in an RJ. Funny thing is I have never flown an RJ as I was a KC-135 pilot prior Delta. I guess being in my 40s and looking like I'm in my 20s is not best with this group...
So do RJ pilots really pop it off the runway, or is that just a rumor?
So do RJ pilots really pop it off the runway, or is that just a rumor?
04-18-2013, 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by DARR31
So do RJ pilots really pop it off the runway, or is that just a rumor?
04-18-2013, 03:48 AM
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Prayers for the victims in West near Waco. Seems like everyone is pitching in to help.
Explosion hits fertilizer plant north of Waco, Texas - CNN.com
Explosion hits fertilizer plant north of Waco, Texas - CNN.com
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