I've heard this story before and would like to know if he was an RJ driver as the rumor goes. The reason I ask is that I am one of those 07' hires that went to the ER as my first plane at Delta. I am on the 737 now and get a lot of Captains I fly with in the opening breifing telling me not to rotate fast like I am in an RJ. Funny thing is I have never flown an RJ as I was a KC-135 pilot prior Delta. I guess being in my 40s and looking like I'm in my 20s is not best with this group...

So do RJ pilots really pop it off the runway, or is that just a rumor?

 

No kidding.

Good prep for operating Douglas jets.

 

They shouldn't. Variations of the CRJ wing have had something like four fatal wingtip stall, loss of control events. They did not have to worry about tail strikes, but the supercritical (likes M.82 to .85) wing with no slats is a ground lover. (which is why most RJ guys shrug off descriptions of no flap T38 flying)

I'm a former corporate jet, RJ puke and instructors have been telling me to rotate faster ever since I got to Delta.

Like most of the experienced hands; it is best to slowly rotate to the appropriate pitch attitude and let it fly off unless you're not seeing red and white lights any more.

Some very good friends of Carl and mine are dead due to over aggressive rotation to nail V2. They were doing aircraft certification work, but the lessons they learned are worth repeating. Importantly; stalls in ground effect are not well documented and are not tested. While the Boeing fleet is generally limited by it's geometry (tail strikes) the Douglas fleet is not. Usually the stalling AOA in ground effect is 15 to 20% less than in free air and the propagation is instant and ugly. Especially when cross controlled the Douglas fleet did not leave me with the warm and fuzzy that the wing had a whole lot more left to give.

Guess what other airplane the folks that gave our friends the bad data worked on ... Again, my procedure in Douglas is fast as I can justify until the Captain begins to complain, then back it off 1 knot.

 

I sure didn't....nor did anyone that respected the history of the CRJ. As BB said, the CRJ 200 has quite the scary wing. Gently rotate and she'll fly when she's ready!

 

Some but not very many.

 

Prayers for the victims in West near Waco. Seems like everyone is pitching in to help.

Explosion hits fertilizer plant north of Waco, Texas - CNN.com

 

On the ERJ-145 I can remember pulling the nose up and then unloading the back pressure while the mains were still on the ground and it'd fly right off without a thumping sound you normally made. I don't think you could yank it off very well but it's been 7 yeas since I flew the E145 model.

 

They say the blast registered a 2.1 earthquake.

 

Guys still talk about the SVO 763 tail strike. I hear it periodically still.

BTW, here is a pic http://aviaforum.ru/showpost.php?p=276495&postcount=523.

Makes you wonder about the Aeromexico 762

 

IIRC he was ex-mil heavy driver. Just a victim of negative training I'd say. Doin' what he was told. Felt really bad for the guy, but I think it all ended well for him. Dead on the centerline though, took out several centerline lights. Russkies were ****ed we hurt their airport. Dept. of State got involved.

Same thing, just the other day was DH on an A320. Rotated, and BANG- like the hardest, most instantaneous pitch up to 20 degrees I've ever felt in any airplane. Scared the bejesus out of me and everyone else. Thought a truck was on the runway or something. Thank God we didn't plug one at V2, or we'd roll right over for sure. Take it easy out there!!!