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12-24-2012, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I'm amazed you think otherwise works. 
Perhaps you can provide an example of a group that's been successful with a strong arm method? Maybe UAL/CAL? Or APA? Or......or.......or USAPA? Pffftttt....I can't do this anymore. I can't....stop......lau.....laugh......laughing!!!!
Perhaps you can provide an example of a group that's been successful with a strong arm method? Maybe UAL/CAL? Or APA? Or......or.......or USAPA? Pffftttt....I can't do this anymore. I can't....stop......lau.....laugh......laughing!!!!
There are increasing events where management is not engaging DALPA when they could (330-300 CROT, Virgin Atlantic, PCL Bridge) and have simply jammed it to DALPA yet the usual suspects are clinging to the "RA thinks the pilots are important" line while he is probably laughing at the MEC's lack of backbone. I'm sure they are sad to see O'Malley go.
RA is not your Daddy's DAL CEO - he is mean lean, probably the best airline manager in the world and is no friend of labor. If anyone thinks he's the pilots friend they are being led perilously astray. Engagement is working for RA, I question it's continuing value to us if trends continue.
12-24-2012, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
And that will be the argument of all the fine folks in the upper echelon of the 4th floor who thought that this would be a good idea.
My guess is that Lee Moak was off the clock when this was put together. He may be a signatory to the TA, but I doubt he'll have any necessity to scrutinize it or be briefed on it, until it comes time to put pen to paper. So then he can burn another airline down, just like Duane Woerth did to CC Air.
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My guess is that Lee Moak was off the clock when this was put together. He may be a signatory to the TA, but I doubt he'll have any necessity to scrutinize it or be briefed on it, until it comes time to put pen to paper. So then he can burn another airline down, just like Duane Woerth did to CC Air.
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12-24-2012, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
They broke the Mechanic's union. This is potentially fatal to ALPA on the Delta property.
That is why ALPAs internal processes have to work.
That is why ALPAs internal processes have to work.
12-24-2012, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by iceman49
Bar, explain your first sentence. Thanks
Northwest Airlines mechanics union local closes down; led 2005 ... - Topix
Union that struck Northwest gives up at Delta - USATODAY.com
12-24-2012, 12:05 PM
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I'm with you up until this point. Are you saying that with 9E negotiating with DL mgmt that they can circumvent our legally binding scope and replace us?
12-24-2012, 12:14 PM
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I'm having a hard time making that leap, unless you are saying that RA was there when it happened. They didn't break the FA union recently, but certainly put an all out effort...personally believe that we (ALPA) should have put more effort into keeping and supporting the FA union.
12-24-2012, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
The way they're playing, I don't see how they won't take the NFC. They've come alive big time. I was hoping they'd both lose last night.
Signed, a bitter STL Lambs..I mean Rams fan.
Signed, a bitter STL Lambs..I mean Rams fan.
12-24-2012, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I'm with you up until this point. Are you saying that with 9E negotiating with DL mgmt that they can circumvent our legally binding scope and replace us?
That's why another pilot group negotiating with Delta management with the full support of ALPA is a very serious matter, particularly so when the rules are not followed.
All contracts have amenable dates. Scope changes during those negotiations. If we allow multiple pilot groups to write deals with Delta our contract negotiations will eventually become an auction house where the cheapest are used to whipsaw us in active bargaining.
12-24-2012, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I'm with you up until this point. Are you saying that with 9E negotiating with DL mgmt that they can circumvent our legally binding scope and replace us?
They were 'replaced' by Scabs, and years later, ALPA National let them back in!
Anyone know who was Frank Lorenzo's lawyer at CAL?
Hint; his initials are...
Richard Anderson.
Anyone think it can't happen again?
12-24-2012, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Imapilot2
Do your know Tom Wychor, have you ever even talked to him in person in your life? Did he ever pull the crap at the level of JC? He is a rep of a bankrupt group that got a pref interview and you equate that to JC because our MEC wasn't there?
You don't see the diff? Buck that comment is BS my friend. I understand your disgust with our MEC not being informed and present but you are taking it out on the wrong guy.
You don't see the diff? Buck that comment is BS my friend. I understand your disgust with our MEC not being informed and present but you are taking it out on the wrong guy.
I personally am very appreciative of Bucking Bar's efforts with regard to this issue. His digging for the facts and tenacity in bringing them to light is outstanding.
I'm not a fan of ALPA or Lee Moak and this agreement just adds more fuel to that fire. ALPA either directly, or through its "cheerleaders" on this forum, claim there is no conflict of interest between its responsibilities to mainline and regional carriers.
I see this conduct by Delta management, by ALPA national, and by Pinnacle's LEC as direct evidence of that conflict of interest.
As MEC Chairman at Pinnacle I'm quite sure Tom Wychor knew exactly what he was doing, and he showed complete and total disrespect to Delta's LEC and the Delta pilots.
Sadly I have no confidence this will be overturned. I'm based in SLC and our LEC reps have a long history of being "yes" men. I'd go so far as to say their motto is "We've never met a concession we didn't like".
This type of shenanigans is exactly why I've kept my DPA card up to date and why I wear a DPA pin.
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