Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-24-2012 | 03:10 PM
Sho me da money!
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 947
Likes: 0
From: B25, Left
I am not quite sure I understand what was done outside of the norm here. It is my understanding that the Pinnacle agreement only secures 81 of the CRJ 900s that are already allowed under your scope agreement, and a preferential interview with Delta, unlike the Followthrough agreement already in place. Correct me if I am wrong but it does not guarantee any flying that is not already done by DCI partners. Isn't this the same as the Compass agreement as well as the contract agreement Skywest has in SLC for a certain percentage of DCI flying. Don't get me wrong I would have loved to have seen your last JCBA call for all flying in house but wasn't the relaxation on 76 scope a compromise on your pilot groups behalf to get the SWA 717?
Scope was tightened. Less DCI pilots flying less DCI seats. It was a marked improvement that brought flying back to main line. Those are facts. What scope was relaxed for 76 seat flying? They were already on the property being flown by DCI. Yes more aircraft were ordered. Uninformed say it is a give away. The facts and MATH do not support that at all. A CRJ whether a 200 or a 900 is still flown by non-delta pilots. Those jobs have been reduced and hard caps put in place for the first time. It is a start, not perfect but a start. The reduction in DCI flying allows more markets for main line 717, that is a benefit to DAL pilots. To answer your question, no scope was not relaxed , in fact the opposite with reference to the 717. Bombardier and DAL worked a deal to give back more CRJ 200 in exchange for a CRJ900 order. Still dramatically reducing DCI seats and exposure of DAL passengers to the DCI product.
12-24-2012 | 03:12 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 6,070
Likes: 1
From: Urban chicken rancher.
Merry Christmas brothers and sisters! It's a sincere privilege to be a teammate for the greatest airline in the world. Thanks for all you do every day. And thanks for the continued education and laughs.
12-24-2012 | 03:16 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 6,971
Likes: 0
From: Kickin’ Back
12-24-2012 | 03:18 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 6,971
Likes: 0
From: Kickin’ Back
They have come alive in the last few weeks. Russell Wilson has got to be one of the top contenders for Rookie of the Year. I'm afraid though that playing in Seattle away from the media hype is not going to work in his favor and there are a couple other contenders too.....
Denny
12-24-2012 | 03:23 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 6,971
Likes: 0
From: Kickin’ Back
Buzz I'll admit that was a verrrrrry questionable call.
But this is a whole n'other team than in the beginning of the season. They seem to be peaking at the right time and are winning on the road now. I'd certainly like to see a re-match of the Packers and 'Hawks in the NFC Championship game!!!
Denny
12-24-2012 | 03:26 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 6,070
Likes: 1
From: Urban chicken rancher.
Buzz I'll admit that was a verrrrrry questionable call. But this is a whole n'other team than in the beginning of the season. They seem to be peaking at the right time and are winning on the road now. I'd certainly like to see a re-match of the Packers and 'Hawks in the NFC Championship game!!!
Denny
But this is a whole n'other team than in the beginning of the season. They seem to be peaking at the right time and are winning on the road now. I'd certainly like to see a re-match of the Packers and 'Hawks in the NFC Championship game!!!Denny
12-24-2012 | 03:46 PM
Can't abide NAI
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 12,078
Likes: 15
From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
I'm also concerned about this and plan on writing reps. But since no one likes it when someone points out a problem (no matter how justified) without at least having a solution in mind, what do you propose as a remedy to what's already happened WRT this?
Has LM already signed this? If he can withhold signature, he needs to be pressured to do so. That's clear. But what if he's already signed it? How can we fix it then? And if certain people at Pinnacle have intentionally violated our exclusive agreement with DL then they need to be dismissed from the guaranteed interview at the very least.
I will also be writing to urge agressive, mercilless compliance by any legal means necessary WRT the intentional, flagrant, no plan to comply JV production imbalance. The ONLY remedy for that is flying, Period. We are due well over 50% to rebalance and I expect every single block hour of that because we sure gave them plenty on our end. The EU economy has nothing to do with this because the percentages apply to whatever the flying is anyway so that straw dog don't hunt.
Has LM already signed this? If he can withhold signature, he needs to be pressured to do so. That's clear. But what if he's already signed it? How can we fix it then? And if certain people at Pinnacle have intentionally violated our exclusive agreement with DL then they need to be dismissed from the guaranteed interview at the very least.
I will also be writing to urge agressive, mercilless compliance by any legal means necessary WRT the intentional, flagrant, no plan to comply JV production imbalance. The ONLY remedy for that is flying, Period. We are due well over 50% to rebalance and I expect every single block hour of that because we sure gave them plenty on our end. The EU economy has nothing to do with this because the percentages apply to whatever the flying is anyway so that straw dog don't hunt.
4. During the period that final approval of a collective bargaining agreement is subject to Presidential review under the Constitution and By-Laws, MEC designated representatives of all ALPA pilot groups within the mainline/express system may submit comments prior to the Presidential signature concerning conformity of negotiated scope provisions with recommendations of the Scope Subcommittee and Association policy.
3. Prior to commencement of any bargaining for any ALPA pilot group within a
mainline/express system, the applicable Negotiating Committee will meet with the
Negotiating Committees of other ALPA pilot groups in the mainline/express system to review
opening scope proposals and how they advance ALPA’s scope goals and guidelines. The
committees will work with each other to develop a consensus on proposals; if, however, they
are unable to do so, subsection 3a below will apply.
a. Following consultation as specified above, and prior to submission of the scope proposal
to the airline, the applicable Negotiating Committee will report to the Scope
Subcommittee that ALPA pilot groups have consulted with one another and have or have
not reached consensus that the planned scope proposal meets ALPA’s scope goals and
guidelines; if the latter, Negotiating Committees of other ALPA pilot groups in the
system can submit statements of agreement or disagreement to the Scope Subcommittee,
which can recommend changes following consultation with the Negotiating Committees
involved.
b. The applicable Negotiating Committee and ALPA pilot groups within the
mainline/express system will develop in conjunction with the opening proposal agreed
reporting benchmarks with respect to developments in on-going scope negotiations which
will require that the Negotiating Committee provide updates on the status of scope
negotiations to the Scope Subcommittee. In the absence of consensual agreements
concerning benchmarks, the Scope Subcommittee will determine reporting benchmarks.
4. During the period that final approval of a collective bargaining agreement is subject to
Presidential review under the Constitution and By-Laws, MEC designated representatives of
all ALPA pilot groups within the mainline/express system may submit comments prior to the
Presidential signature concerning conformity of negotiated scope provisions with
recommendations of the Scope Subcommittee and Association policy.
mainline/express system, the applicable Negotiating Committee will meet with the
Negotiating Committees of other ALPA pilot groups in the mainline/express system to review
opening scope proposals and how they advance ALPA’s scope goals and guidelines. The
committees will work with each other to develop a consensus on proposals; if, however, they
are unable to do so, subsection 3a below will apply.
a. Following consultation as specified above, and prior to submission of the scope proposal
to the airline, the applicable Negotiating Committee will report to the Scope
Subcommittee that ALPA pilot groups have consulted with one another and have or have
not reached consensus that the planned scope proposal meets ALPA’s scope goals and
guidelines; if the latter, Negotiating Committees of other ALPA pilot groups in the
system can submit statements of agreement or disagreement to the Scope Subcommittee,
which can recommend changes following consultation with the Negotiating Committees
involved.
b. The applicable Negotiating Committee and ALPA pilot groups within the
mainline/express system will develop in conjunction with the opening proposal agreed
reporting benchmarks with respect to developments in on-going scope negotiations which
will require that the Negotiating Committee provide updates on the status of scope
negotiations to the Scope Subcommittee. In the absence of consensual agreements
concerning benchmarks, the Scope Subcommittee will determine reporting benchmarks.
4. During the period that final approval of a collective bargaining agreement is subject to
Presidential review under the Constitution and By-Laws, MEC designated representatives of
all ALPA pilot groups within the mainline/express system may submit comments prior to the
Presidential signature concerning conformity of negotiated scope provisions with
recommendations of the Scope Subcommittee and Association policy.
12-24-2012 | 03:54 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 6,971
Likes: 0
From: Kickin’ Back
The great thing about that call was it got the NFL serious about bringing the real refs back. I'd love to see them meet again in the playoffs, this time at Lambeau. The Packers are getting healthy too...just in time. We might have to hook up and go to the game. I've got a friend with tickets! First beers on you though.
I'd buy the beer the whole day(at least) but you'd have to drive.......Denny
12-24-2012 | 03:58 PM
Sho me da money!
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 947
Likes: 0
From: B25, Left
Buzz I'll admit that was a verrrrrry questionable call. But this is a whole n'other team than in the beginning of the season. They seem to be peaking at the right time and are winning on the road now. I'd certainly like to see a re-match of the Packers and 'Hawks in the NFC Championship game!!!
Denny
But this is a whole n'other team than in the beginning of the season. They seem to be peaking at the right time and are winning on the road now. I'd certainly like to see a re-match of the Packers and 'Hawks in the NFC Championship game!!!Denny
I wonder if he will let me wear all my 9er bling though?
But seriously! As I enjoy my SEA layover at home on Xmas eve (anyone need a room in downtown SEA) for 25 hours, I want to also say Merry Christmas to my APC friends and share with BUZZ a thanks to a really good group of pilots to work with at Delta. I hope the New Year eliminates stagnation and ends the commute for all!
Fiig
12-24-2012 | 04:17 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 6,971
Likes: 0
From: Kickin’ Back
I do have a feeling 9ers and Hawks will see each other again before the season is over! But I am going over to Capt Cranes digs in SEA to watch this match-up. I mean he MUST have the biggest and loudest home theater in the PNW!! I even hear he has a kegerator with RedHook IPA flowing!
I wonder if he will let me wear all my 9er bling though?
But seriously! As I enjoy my SEA layover at home on Xmas eve (anyone need a room in downtown SEA) for 25 hours, I want to also say Merry Christmas to my APC friends and share with BUZZ a thanks to a really good group of pilots to work with at Delta. I hope the New Year eliminates stagnation and ends the commute for all!
Fiig
I wonder if he will let me wear all my 9er bling though?
But seriously! As I enjoy my SEA layover at home on Xmas eve (anyone need a room in downtown SEA) for 25 hours, I want to also say Merry Christmas to my APC friends and share with BUZZ a thanks to a really good group of pilots to work with at Delta. I hope the New Year eliminates stagnation and ends the commute for all!
Fiig
Fiig,
I wish it was so (about the home theater and IPA) that is......
Glad to hear you got a long layover at home. Enjoy and Merry Christmas to you and all our APC buds!!
Denny
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
