Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-23-2013, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
I thought Mesaba, no GoJets, no Mesa, was the best of the best.
At least at ASA our management was realistic. Former DAL and former Regional Airline President of the year Skip Barnette explained to me that "ASA does not want to be the best, that would cost money. We just don't want to be embarrassing."
The distressing thing, from an airline labor standpoint, was hearing management crow about the Pinnacle deal and the restructuring of costs on the regional side of our business. Pinnacle will not only put pressure on other subcontractors, but since we (our union) allow them to negotiate directly with Delta management, they put pressure on our own small jet operations. Their Next Gen jets probably have better numbers than most of our narrow body fleet on a CASM & per departure numbers while also enjoying the advantage of a more flexible platform.
Don't get me wrong, our MEC did an overall good job with C2012. I truly suspect there was a quid pro quo arrangement as we really went out of our way to keep the Delta MEC out of the Pinnacle negotiations in an effort to make outsourcing more profitable.
Tactically smart, maybe, but I remain very concerned about our strategic direction. Now we have Pinnacle sitting at the table with Delta management and there is no reason why other carriers can't pull up a chair as well if we accept that pilots are simply subcontractors.
We are Delta pilots. Not vendors.
At least at ASA our management was realistic. Former DAL and former Regional Airline President of the year Skip Barnette explained to me that "ASA does not want to be the best, that would cost money. We just don't want to be embarrassing."
The distressing thing, from an airline labor standpoint, was hearing management crow about the Pinnacle deal and the restructuring of costs on the regional side of our business. Pinnacle will not only put pressure on other subcontractors, but since we (our union) allow them to negotiate directly with Delta management, they put pressure on our own small jet operations. Their Next Gen jets probably have better numbers than most of our narrow body fleet on a CASM & per departure numbers while also enjoying the advantage of a more flexible platform.
Don't get me wrong, our MEC did an overall good job with C2012. I truly suspect there was a quid pro quo arrangement as we really went out of our way to keep the Delta MEC out of the Pinnacle negotiations in an effort to make outsourcing more profitable.
Tactically smart, maybe, but I remain very concerned about our strategic direction. Now we have Pinnacle sitting at the table with Delta management and there is no reason why other carriers can't pull up a chair as well if we accept that pilots are simply subcontractors.
We are Delta pilots. Not vendors.
04-23-2013, 06:54 PM
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20 per month from Compass
It's the lesser of 20/month or 25% of the seniority list in a rolling 12 months.
For 20/month to go, Compass would have to be 960 pilots. 25% of 960 = 20/month.
How big is the compass pilot group?
APC lists 439 pilots. Assuming 440 pilots at Compass, 25% of the seniority list is only:
440 pilots x .25 = 110 Compass pilots in rolling 12 months.
110 / 12 months = 9.1666
So only 9 Compass pilots approximately per month, at 110 max.
04-23-2013, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
A shakeout between Emirates, Qatar and Etihad is a given. Throw in lower oil prices and the ability to subsidize an operation that makes no sense is limited.
04-23-2013, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
Holy Smokes!! Emirates will have more spare 777's sitting around than our entire fleet. I hate to say it, but I think Delta see's JV's as the best way to compete with a monster that size.
04-23-2013, 07:00 PM
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It should be ok to yellow slip a 2 day even if you're a 4 day guy and they have 2 day guys. White slip, then yellow, then the reserve that comes up for the trip. The way it is now they give it to a 2 day guy that didn't have a yellow slip in and pass on a guy that has a yellow in (4 day or 3 day guy).
If you want a trip you should get the trip in seniority order. They just pass you on you. Needs fixed.
If you want a trip you should get the trip in seniority order. They just pass you on you. Needs fixed.
04-23-2013, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Wrong.
It's the lesser of 20/month or 25% of the seniority list in a rolling 12 months.
For 20/month to go, Compass would have to be 960 pilots. 25% of 960 = 20/month.
How big is the compass pilot group?
APC lists 439 pilots. Assuming 440 pilots at Compass, 25% of the seniority list is only:
440 pilots x .25 = 110 Compass pilots in rolling 12 months.
110 / 12 months = 9.1666
So only 9 Compass pilots approximately per month, at 110 max.
It's the lesser of 20/month or 25% of the seniority list in a rolling 12 months.
For 20/month to go, Compass would have to be 960 pilots. 25% of 960 = 20/month.
How big is the compass pilot group?
APC lists 439 pilots. Assuming 440 pilots at Compass, 25% of the seniority list is only:
440 pilots x .25 = 110 Compass pilots in rolling 12 months.
110 / 12 months = 9.1666
So only 9 Compass pilots approximately per month, at 110 max.
Shyguy,
Your numbers are correct but the methodology will be a little different. Of course management can change the methodology anytime, as long as they comply with the numbers.
Here is the way it was explained to me at a Base Ops visit by the DAL crew resources represetnative (My words from an earlier post):
When hiring starts it will be mostly flows: I think he said the first 20/month from Compass and then 9 month from Mesaba. Above 29/month hiring will be off the street, including the Pinnnacle dudes with preferential interviews. After the first few months of each year when Compass and Mesaba hit their annual limit (I think 25%) all the new hires will be off the street.
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04-23-2013, 07:11 PM
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If needed for SC times.
I have been told that is just a request and they do not have to honor it in Seniority order.
You want 1600-1730. You get 0630. Guy Junior to you gets 1700. You call to see what happened. "It's just a request. Would you like a 2 hour commute?"
This needs fixed.
I have been told that is just a request and they do not have to honor it in Seniority order.
You want 1600-1730. You get 0630. Guy Junior to you gets 1700. You call to see what happened. "It's just a request. Would you like a 2 hour commute?"
This needs fixed.
04-23-2013, 07:12 PM
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Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents on the reserve buckets. Obviously ALPA catered to the senior guys in this regard. I've talked to the guys in crew resources and asked why they bucket ranges never change and they said to complain to ALPA about it. The company could care less whether a junior guy or a senior guy does the trip-it's all ALPA. I don't have a problem with it if it was more legit, like maybe 30 raw per bucket. We need to have more buckets with much lower ranges. It's ridiculous.
04-23-2013, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by kiteflyer
When did they say this?
04-23-2013, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Wrong.
It's the lesser of 20/month or 25% of the seniority list in a rolling 12 months.
For 20/month to go, Compass would have to be 960 pilots. 25% of 960 = 20/month.
How big is the compass pilot group?
APC lists 439 pilots. Assuming 440 pilots at Compass, 25% of the seniority list is only:
440 pilots x .25 = 110 Compass pilots in rolling 12 months.
110 / 12 months = 9.1666
So only 9 Compass pilots approximately per month, at 110 max.
It's the lesser of 20/month or 25% of the seniority list in a rolling 12 months.
For 20/month to go, Compass would have to be 960 pilots. 25% of 960 = 20/month.
How big is the compass pilot group?
APC lists 439 pilots. Assuming 440 pilots at Compass, 25% of the seniority list is only:
440 pilots x .25 = 110 Compass pilots in rolling 12 months.
110 / 12 months = 9.1666
So only 9 Compass pilots approximately per month, at 110 max.
Edit: just refer to bohicagain's post.
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