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Old 05-01-2013 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by iceman49
It use to be chains on the large equipment.
I know a few things about large equipment.

I also found this on the interwebz. MRAP on a C-17.




Loadmasters Tech Sgt. Kenneth Bragg (left) and Staff Sgt. Lucas P. Crumpton assess the strength of the tie down chains that are keeping an Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicle aboard a C-17 Globemaster III while at Kadena Air Base, Japan, Dec. 29, 2008. Each chain is suppose to be able to support 25,000 pounds, but due to the configuration, the ratio is limited; therefore they must make sure actual ratio is the effective ratio required to support the vehicle. (U.S. Air Force photo/Tech Sgt. Cohen A. Young)

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Old 05-01-2013 | 10:10 AM
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Why would the Navy have MRAPs? Just curious.
Old 05-01-2013 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by N9373M
Why would the Navy have MRAPs? Just curious.
I think the Navy needs to beat the crap out of everything before they can pass it down to the Marines.

Just sayin'
Old 05-01-2013 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Dublin donuts is closed in terminal A in ATL... no more Starbucks or Dunkin in A or B now.

Carry on.
I love the prices and portions of Great wraps too! No more Great Wraps so I tried the Southern Food Place next to Quedoba (Sp?). THis place was a "rip-off". The portions were extremely small and the price more than double ($11-$15). STAY AWAY.

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Old 05-01-2013 | 11:51 AM
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Default Survey: Single women prefer Delta, United

Let’s say you’re a person who travels frequently and you’re looking for a connection – not a connecting flight but a love connection.

According to MissTravel.com, your best chances are on a Delta Air Lines flight if the object of your desire is a single woman. The “destination-dating” website surveyed 2,000 single female travelers to find out which airline they use most often and 28 percent said Atlanta-based Delta was their No. 1 choice. The airline was preferred by13 percent more women than those who chose No. 2 United Airlines. Delta and United are the No. 1 and No. 2 largest U.S. carriers, respectively.

United was followed by US Airways, Southwest, Virgin, JetBlue and AirTran.

Single women also appear to be more talkative while traveling, according to MissTravel.com. Sixty-four acknowledged they speak to strangers at airports or on flights than anywhere else; 39 percent said that they have or would consider dating someone they met during a flight.

Brandon Ware, the website's founder, suggested airlines increase their appeal to women traveling for leisure and the woman “who may have her eyes open for a potential love interest.”
Old 05-01-2013 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I want to know who loaded it and who checked the locks and tiedowns.
Bagram Aerial Port loaded it, ie Air Force kids. I'm sure National like Polar has loadmasters on the crew who check it. A retired load from my old unit went to Polar and does the same job for them.
Old 05-01-2013 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dalad
That's like the DC-8 crash in MIA a few years back when the load of denim shifted to the tail. Arrow Air I think? The crew had no chance then, either. There but by the grace of God go us.
That was Fine Air 101. Arrow bought Fine later.
Old 05-01-2013 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Sata 4000 RP
28 percent said Atlanta-based Delta was their No. 1 choice. The airline was preferred by13 percent more women than those who chose No. 2 United Airlines. Delta and United are the No. 1 and No. 2 largest U.S. carriers, respectively.
....For the chance to meet NewK.
Old 05-01-2013 | 01:59 PM
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Was there any training on load shifts for you cargo guys?
Old 05-01-2013 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueMoon
A dash cam caught it on video. It is on liveleak. It is chilling. Went in slightly nose low, gear still down. I won't post it as I have two good friends that work there and was sick to my stomach when I heard there was an accident. Fortunately they were not onboard.
Incredibly sad. We all need to try to learn anything we can from the loss of these lives, and the following is meant for that purpose:

If they had cargo come loose, and If that resulted in an instant CG movement beyond the aft limits, a full aerodynamic stall and departure from controlled flight may have been preventable. I got to experience this very thing in the test environment, and the recovery technique is not immediately logical. At the first realization that pitch is not controllable (even with full forward yoke pressure), roll hard to the left or right to point the lift vector on or even below the horizon (90 to 100 degrees of bank angle). This causes the nose to quickly fall below the horizon and airspeed to rapidly increase assuming you leave power at full. As airspeed increases, level the wings and accept that the nose will rapidly rise again. Repeating this pattern results in gaining altitude with each roll reversal, and buys time to trim the stabilizer to the full nose down limit, select full flaps, and the aircraft is controllable with full forward yoke pressure.

There's no way you can pull this off without the instant reaction that only comes from prior training and mental preparation. Assuming the crew never got this training, they sadly had no chance. Not saying with certainty this recovery technique would have worked in this condition, but it may have.

Something to think about.

Carl
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