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Old 07-06-2013 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
Hey hypothetical question.

Is it possible to create a contract that ties in secondary raises to debt reduction thresholds?
(i.e. once company debt is reduced to $8 billion pilots get a 4% raise)
Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I think we'd want just the opposite. Raises that kick in if the company doesn't meet its promised debt reduction goals. That would make them think really hard about buying Virgin stakes and Pinnacle remnants.

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Old 07-06-2013 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
DALPA's willingness to cede massive efficiencies outside of bankruptcy are completely self-induced, and compound the other difficulties you mentioned.
This is 100% spot on.

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Old 07-06-2013 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
I feel your pain. Life long FO here. It's hard to watch the company grow out west using RJs in our very limited gate space while there is almost never a seat available on anything I fly. We had a massive head start on the merger parade and much of the success was due to pilot cooperation. Seems like we would have been able to capitalize and capture some market share. Unfortunately our company is addicted to capacity restraint. Whine mode off.
Another spot on point and one that is not mentioned often enough.

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Old 07-06-2013 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by TOGA LK
Sadly I long for the day a company like Emirates can hire into some decent bases, I'd be long gone.
Originally Posted by tsquare
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
YES! AWESOME!!

First johnso29 telling people to resign, now this.

The ghost of Dr. Janus is so proud right now.

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Old 07-06-2013 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
If CRJ900s are replacing our older NB jets, then what's replacing the 400+ 50 seaters that are being parked? Also ANC & MEM were closed, but CVG was not. So which way will SLC & MSP go? Staying open like CVG, or closing like MEM & ANC?
Nothing. Capacity reduction.

An article from the New York Times hit it square on the head back in 2012.

"..., the cramped 50-seat regional jets that were the backbone of service for midsize and smaller markets are disappearing. In some markets, that means service is being eliminated. In others, though, it means reduced schedules on fewer routes, served by slightly bigger planes like the Bombardier CRJ-700, which is a stretched version of the older 50-seat CRJ-200." -Joe Sharkey, New York Times

A few things happened to make this even more lucrative to Delta. We ratified the new contract. Comair and its senior employee group were eliminated. GoJet was signed on to fly those airplanes and Pinnacle was restructured.

This process is continuing at mainline as we have already cut capacity and now we are retiring and replacing larger higher paying aircraft with smaller lower paying aircraft.

The last few years have witnessed nothing short of a large restructuring of Delta. Everything has been driven by cost savings and debt reduction rather than growth or competition.
Old 07-06-2013 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I think we'd want just the opposite. Raises that kick in if the company doesn't meet its promised debt reduction goals. That would make them think really hard about buying Virgin stakes and Pinnacle remnants.

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We've been told time and time again that the companys' goals and our goals are aligned. If the company does well, then we all do well.

While I agree with this logic to some extent, durning contract negotiations the exact opposite is true.

If our aligned interests are so apparent, then why not official connect them contractually to one another. I guess the downside to this is that if the company performs poorly, the we would receive a comeasurate pay cut. To that I would say, isn't that already the case?
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CNN reporting an Asiana 777 "crashed" in SFO on landing....
Old 07-06-2013 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Ed Harley
CNN reporting an Asiana 777 "crashed" in SFO on landing....
looks like Asiana from the logo. News reporting wind 8 kts. Some slides are deployed.
Old 07-06-2013 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
We've been told time and time again that the companys' goals and our goals are aligned. If the company does well, then we all do well.

While I agree with this logic to some extent, durning contract negotiations the exact opposite is true.

If our aligned interests are so apparent, then why not official connect them contractually to one another. I guess the downside to this is that if the company performs poorly, the we would receive a comeasurate pay cut. To that I would say, isn't that already the case?
That's a good point. Where does the alignment of goals split off?

I think the company's goals, especially our company, would be a peaceful labor force. We'd like the same thing.

So one way to do that is a fast contract, slight pay raise, talk about the time value of money and add in a little SJS. The cost will increase but you can fund that cost growth through productivity improvements (which I guess is shrinkage in every category top to bottom), realignment opportunities on outsourced aircraft and profit sharing reduction. Not sure that's how I'd done it.
Old 07-06-2013 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Ed Harley
CNN reporting an Asiana 777 "crashed" in SFO on landing....
Looks like fire in fuselage but wings intact.
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