Yeah, but like us pining over those announcements, we're never going to give them up, and they are never going to let us down. lolwut has some deep insight and dots to connect with that post, I believe.

 

Since bigger HAS to pay more... and if all things were equal, you have to be in the top 500 at DAL to even throw bags on a 777/747 because we have 34 of them... total... So you can look forward to holding those airplanes when you turn 63 or so... of course you will be on reserve, but our reserve system is pretty good... (I am writing this on SC) But I'll bet that on any given day UAL has 50 of 'em welded to the jetways at IAD...

My point is that basing our pay on aircraft size... something which we have zero input into.. is the ultimate definition of stupidity. Fortunately I was hired at the end of a nice wave, so it is not a worry of mine, but if I were young and junior, I would be ****ed off about this propensity to pay based on some retarded "productivity" metric. Best of luck brother. At least there will be a lot of movement in the coming years..... I guess you have to figure out where you will be when the music stops.. and it always does.

 

We definitely need more "premium" widebodies, however the 330 has the pax carrying and most of the freight carrying capability of the 777 (freaking stupid it pays the same as the 767-400 and not the 777), just without the ginormous fuel tanks.

However, even if you include the megapoodle, we're still way in the negative compared to UA and the new AA in regard to that sort of lift.

 

I don't concede that you are right, but let's assume you are and we need another kind of pay system. What kind of pay system do you envision and how do we get there?

Keep in mind with any new pay system, the overall payroll will have to stay the same. Delta is not going to pay more for it's pilots because we have seniority based pay. You can't magically increase the number of pilots who are getting 777/747 pay. For every pilot that gets more money in a new system, another pilot will be getting less.

 

I'm with Tsquare on this, and look no further than the 149/160 seat MD-88/90 pay to the 320/319 and 737/738 and of course that's on the lower end of the spectrum.

Btw, there was a rumor more seats are coming to the 90s?

 

The blue lighting will hide any yellow sweat stains on the white leather.

 

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I'll agree, we do need more 777s.

UAL has combined their pay in a banded system 747, 777, 787, 764. Not exactly a seniority based system, but probably close. However, if all you want to do is fly narrowbodies for max pay, your arch-nemesis kitty sacrificers comes to mind.

 

FTB;

I understand how it got that way, I don't understand why it is still that way.

 

So putting the methodology aside for a moment. You believe that having the biggest airplane pay more is the best way to go? Really? You must be a) young, and b) senior.

 

We need more 777s if we are going to maintain the same pay methodology in order to get more people more money by the time they retire. That is what it is all about. But the inconvenient truth is that DAL management makes those decisions. All on their own. With ZERO input from us. Draw your own conclusions about where things will go, but to me, it ain't rocket surgery.

UAl is taking the first step. and IMHO, it is the right one. I would LOVE to see a new hire career earnings projection based on retirements and current fleets.... It will be eye watering.