I think we should get rid of swap with friends... it completely abrogates seniority. We currently have a very senior pilot in LA that regularly gives his sweet asia trip to a very junior pilot (figure the senior guy has some business that makes Delta a part-time job)... this is wrong... what's the point of having a seniority based system?

We have a senior guy in my category that always puts his weekday caribbean turns on the swap board just after bids come out. They are gone within minutes. It is great for the occasional junior guy but I would be frustrated as a senior guy since it is one of the top trips.

05-28-2013 | 11:52 AM

#131092

TOGA LK

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But it's always been that way... Don't expect change soon.

05-28-2013 | 11:55 AM

#131093

forgot to bid

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From: Light Chop

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Originally Posted by LivingTheDream

I second your motion.

05-28-2013 | 12:06 PM

#131094

Purple Drank

Straight QOL, homie

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From: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

I second your motion.

Perhaps a "waiting period" of one day from the time it's posted to the time it's rewarded? At which point it's awarded to the senior claimant.

It's a valuable option...just abused.

05-28-2013 | 12:25 PM

#131095

tsquare

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From: 767er Captain

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

We have 100 737's arriving to replace the 757's. in addition 25 of the 757's that are planned to be retired are all ready parked and not in revenue service. If Delta purchase 40 additional airframes via the two new RFP's we will put into service over 240 airframes in the next 4 years. We also hold options for 30 more 737's. the fleet plan has us parking 85 757's in that period. There will be some A320's parked in Addition to the 757's however the net gain in airframes should be around 130 hulls. That number includes the 90's not yet in service.

Fair enough. My problem here though, is well documented. All of the "replacement" aircraft you mention, and none of the "growth" aircraft you mentioned are upguaged airframes from the 757. I know, that is a different discussion for a different thread. But.... at my seniority, I do not see much upside potential with what you are describing. I see even more stagnation for the top 50% of the list.

05-28-2013 | 12:26 PM

#131096

tsquare

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From: 767er Captain

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Originally Posted by boog123

130 new hulls, please...

New, used, who GAS about age?

05-28-2013 | 12:27 PM

#131097

tsquare

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From: 767er Captain

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Originally Posted by johnso29

Over half of that number is already confirmed.

When they have a widget painted on the tail, let's talk. Until then, it is... well... talk. (717s excepted... but oh yeah.. THEY ARE THE SMALLEST THING IN THE INVENTORY)

05-28-2013 | 12:29 PM

#131098

tsquare

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From: 767er Captain

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

What growth flying would the growth jets be doing?

Interesting question. Why do you care? Just asking.

I think it worthwhile to think about the direction that we have gone since signing the contract to answer it though. Fewer RJs. That slop has to be taken up somewhere. 88-717s coming aboard. Problem solved.

The rest will be easy enough to figure out too. Look at what is going away, and what is replacing it. Then figure a small percentage of that small "growth" number will be actual growth. I buy sailing's argument, but I really don't see that much true growth. It will keep up with inflation if you will, but that is about it.

05-28-2013 | 12:36 PM

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tsquare

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From: 767er Captain

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

If there is another economic disaster you might be right. However if what you say is true then it will mean that Delta is in deep economic trouble and perhaps on the verge of a shutdown. That kind of reduction in total system block hours would equal the cuts of the last 12 years and then some for the mainline to see a reduction. If you honestly believe that then you should be hard at work on a plan B.

1 point for each of you. We still have a really big anchor in the form of debt. If that is NOT a consideration for anemic growth, then there should be a WB order to reflect that. I don't see much on the horizon. 10 330s every 15 years and a 777 every 5 does not equate to much growth. Again, if it were an investment that were growing like that, I would pull my money.