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Old 05-28-2013 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Actually we added a large number of pilots to the airline. They just did not come in at the bottom. The next bids will be for conversions mostly after the first of the year. Want to make a bet on if new hires are arriving?
I bet new hires are arriving in 2012.
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I mean 2014.
Old 05-28-2013 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
I'm all for seniority but trip parking and "friend swapping" end run the process. Dump it next contract!!
I couldn't agree more. Swap with Friends sounds like some sort of weird gay porn title, and it should, because you're doing something gay to your friends, and something even gayer to the rest of the pilot group.

Access to open time should be transparent, seniority-based, and limited to the same total time as a regular line + WS (a.k.a. max Pickup).
Old 05-28-2013 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
They are pouring a ton of money into the ER's. the business case for adding winglets and gutting the interiors was based on the airframes remaining in service for a long time.
Keep in my mind the 9s have new paint and interiors.

But nobody said the 300ERs are leaving next month, but at the end of this decade how old would they be on average? (Hint it was posted earlier)

Or put another way, how long are we keeping the 747s?
Old 05-28-2013 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
I couldn't agree more. Swap with Friends sounds like some sort of weird gay porn title, and it should, because you're doing something gay to your friends, and something even gayer to the rest of the pilot group.

Access to open time should be transparent, seniority-based, and limited to the same total time as a regular line + WS (a.k.a. max Pickup).
Actually, I find it odd the early 90s icrew clip art pic they use for the swap board is a little girl that looks to be in a flower girl dress. What is that???

I do love the Microsoft Flight Siumlayor 1994 version they use somewhere else
Maybe someone should tell them clip art is out.
Old 05-28-2013 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Keep in my mind the 9s have new paint and interiors.
So new seats and paint for a fleet of 17 DC9-50s is equivalent to lie flat seat conversions and new economy seats on 79 767-300/400ERs? I think the cost comparision between the two isn't even close.
Old 05-28-2013 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
They might not profitably fill all of the WBs but they flood the market. It'd be like us putting 757s on wherever JB flies out of BOS. If the goal is to make money then that's probably not a good way to do it; but if the goal is to drive someone out of the market it's not a bad idea.
Are they willing to bleed cash flooding the market as their strangle hold on the price of crude continues to slip? Between what the USA is producing and what Australia recently found one has to wonder if the black gold won't be worth as much to the UAE as it has been in the past.
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So new seats and paint for a fleet of 17 DC9-50s is equivalent to lie flat seat conversions and new economy seats on 79 767-300/400ERs? I think the cost comparision between the two isn't even close.
But you missed the point.

They spend money on planes they're planning on parking so why not spend money on planes that you'll keep on average 10 years?

Is the roi on an interior overhaul 20 years or no dice?
Old 05-28-2013 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Are they willing to bleed cash flooding the market as their strangle hold on the price of crude continues to slip? Between what the USA is producing and what Australia recently found one has to wonder if the black gold won't be worth as much to the UAE as it has been in the past.
Maybe but look who they're fighting. Its like crippled people running from bears, they could be starving but they're still healthIER. Especially in comparison to the European counterparts theyre currently slaughtering or their beat up stabbed in the back American counterparts.

Its the SWA model, use oil and the government to help you win.
Old 05-28-2013 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
But you missed the point.

They spend money on planes they're planning on parking so why not spend money on planes that you'll keep on average 10 years?

Is the roi on an interior overhaul 20 years or no dice?
IDK, but you also have to factor in what a 767-300ER can bring in revenue wise vs a DC9-50. There is a huge difference. It may have taken very little to hit the ROI with the DC9s. But like I said, we are comparing a fleet of 17 DC9-50s to 79 B767-300ER/400s. It will likely take many more years to hit the ROI goal for the 767 fleet vs the DC9 fleet.
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