Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-04-2013, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
If you look at the latest letter from crew planning they list the block hour reductions.
Originally Posted by sailingfun
It shows that the new contract has had little to no impact on staffing.
Originally Posted by sailingfun
The block hour reductions were higher then what they had planned.
Also, if you're going to post, would you please read a book on how to use the word "then" versus "than"? It's just one of your many misuses of the English language, but this one happens nearly all the time with you. Fix it.
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That however starts to turn around in the last quarter.
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06-04-2013, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
The whole "no hiring" thing from the CR newsletter sure sounds like they've accidentally broken the code on a coming merger. Can't imagine why we'd delay hiring pilots with the retirements coming up, and staff with inefficient and costly displacements, followed by reinstatements, "We've received clarity" is more like "shut up and do what we tell you" from marketing. And despite all this, our capacity is flat, our routes are unchanged, hubs the same, it's not like there's a whole lot of crazy going on at Delta Air Lines. Make ready the boarding party!
Progress!
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06-04-2013, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
What ink are we talking about? Has anybody bothered to read the latest Crew Planning News that came out a couple hours ago?
The pilot block hour info SF has been posting doesn't seem to jive what Crew Planning is saying.
The pilot block hour info SF has been posting doesn't seem to jive what Crew Planning is saying.
Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
Based on what is being communicated now, it sounds like backpeddling for hiring even in 2014.
Those of you who say the "overstaffing" situation and fleet adjustments were not known while ALPA/Management were selling the daylights out of C2012 (which included large productivity gains which stymies hiring) with "we may begin the hiring process in fall 2012" are not being honest with yourselves or your fellow pilots.
Read paragraph 5 and 6 of the latest Crew Planning memo. "While the plan is still preliminary...." "...hiring has not been authorized at this time, and with a surplus of pilots at a system level we have to utilize our existing pilot staffing. As a result, we must displace now in order to staff the hours that Network has given us."
Those of you who say the "overstaffing" situation and fleet adjustments were not known while ALPA/Management were selling the daylights out of C2012 (which included large productivity gains which stymies hiring) with "we may begin the hiring process in fall 2012" are not being honest with yourselves or your fellow pilots.
Read paragraph 5 and 6 of the latest Crew Planning memo. "While the plan is still preliminary...." "...hiring has not been authorized at this time, and with a surplus of pilots at a system level we have to utilize our existing pilot staffing. As a result, we must displace now in order to staff the hours that Network has given us."
We realize we are displacing from the 7ER First Officer position in order to fill vacancies in the M88 First Officer categories. We also understand that as we take deliveries of the 717 and 737-900 and post Captain positions on those fleets pilots who are displaced down will quickly rebound back up. Ideally, we would hire to fill the M88 F/O positions. However, hiring has not been authorized at this time, and with a surplus of pilots at a system level we have to utilize our existing pilot staffing. As a result, we must displace now in order to staff the hours that Network has given us
So what they said was we needed to hire yesterday but management wouldn't approve. Since they didn't listen we now have to displace pilots to cover new hire positions only to watch these pilots bid right back up to a higher paying airplane.
06-04-2013, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dalad
Wrong again, we never had 156 737-200's. We had I believe 54-56.Back then the fleet consisted of 14 MD-11's, 55-60 L-1011's, the ER's, 16 767-200's, the domestic 767-300's, 70 737-800's, 125ish 727's, the 73G, some 737-300's that were former Western, the MD-88's and MD-90's, and the 54-56 737-200's.
Either way, 54 732s in 2000, 0 now, 0 jumbo RJs then 255 and 70 on order now.
I do remember why I thought the number sounded right because one time when discussing this we also threw in all the DC-9s smaller than the 40 series at NWA in 2000.
Btw, what was the again in wrong again?
06-04-2013, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
So what they said was we needed to hire yesterday but management wouldn't approve. Since they didn't listen we now have to displace pilots to cover new hire positions only to watch these pilots bid right back up to a higher paying airplane.
Now about that hiring that is likely to begin Fall 2012 if this TA passes.....
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06-04-2013, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
So what they said was we needed to hire yesterday but management wouldn't approve. Since they didn't listen we now have to displace pilots to cover new hire positions only to watch these pilots bid right back up to a higher paying airplane.
...and with a surplus of pilots at a system level we have to utilize our existing pilot staffing. As a result, we must displace now in order to staff the hours that Network has given us
So, network gave a need for less hours going forward at a time when we have a system level surplus, operating with our new contract that gave back productivity to fund our COLA pay raises. That's why management won't approve hiring. No mystery there.
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06-04-2013, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
No, they didn't say that either. I know because they said this:
...and with a surplus of pilots at a system level we have to utilize our existing pilot staffing. As a result, we must displace now in order to staff the hours that Network has given us
So, network gave a need for less hours going forward at a time when we have a system level surplus, operating with our new contract that gave back productivity to fund our COLA pay raises. That's why management won't approve hiring. No mystery there.
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...and with a surplus of pilots at a system level we have to utilize our existing pilot staffing. As a result, we must displace now in order to staff the hours that Network has given us
So, network gave a need for less hours going forward at a time when we have a system level surplus, operating with our new contract that gave back productivity to fund our COLA pay raises. That's why management won't approve hiring. No mystery there.
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06-04-2013, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I got it from wiki but I added the 727-200 and 737-200 that was right below it. So it is 54 according to them.
Either way, 54 732s in 2000, 0 now, 0 jumbo RJs then 255 and 70 on order now.
I do remember why I thought the number sounded right because one time when discussing this we also threw in all the DC-9s smaller than the 40 series at NWA in 2000.
Btw, what was the again in wrong again?
Either way, 54 732s in 2000, 0 now, 0 jumbo RJs then 255 and 70 on order now.
I do remember why I thought the number sounded right because one time when discussing this we also threw in all the DC-9s smaller than the 40 series at NWA in 2000.
Btw, what was the again in wrong again?
06-04-2013, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
OK, what Carl said....he said it more succinctly and with better emphasis than I could.
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06-04-2013, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Yeah, but you said it first.
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