80ktsClamp

See the 40 to go? That's what they are claiming they need to call for a vote. That number in reality is at least 1000 away due expired cards that have not been renewed. They don't publish the real number... transparent, right?

I'm sure there are some smart people involved on the inside at DPA. I just have yet to run into any that actually know what they are talking about. (well, except for Carl Spackler. He's one smart cookie. If I saw his name heading up the effort, I'll give it a second look) Look at how many emails Caplinger has put out with these long, emotional rants... and then had to retract various "facts" that he put in there due to not understanding what he was looking at.

Jack Bauer

And it is certainly your right to not renew. That said, I believe there are more people renewing now than there have been in months. The fire has been lit once again given the current unions misleading remarks RE C2012 and opaque SOP.

newKnow

How about the previous sentence where they said they were aware that the displaced 7er F/O's would "quickly rebound back up?"

They know the displacements won't last long, but they just have to do them to staff the MD88.

Hummm....

Jack Bauer

If you read their emails (which I doubt you do because you dont like Tim and you think all of the leadership are "morons" as you say) you would see they are turning the campain toward renewls acknowledging that is the next challenge. Haha you want to talk about "transparent"? I think we should all be 100% used to that now with our current union. Give me a break.

Launching a competing product into any market let alone a market where you start with no access to contact info, shut out from using company resources that your competitor uses freely with the governing bodies blessing (Delta does this because they love and want to keep the, ahem, 50/50 "mutually beneficial working relationship with the current union). The company whispers into ALPA's ear compliments of Mr. Campbell, a $1000/hr union busting attorney (who also happens to want to keep ALPA around...I wonder why?) to shut down the competing product.

Yes Tim gets emotional and has said dumb things. Have you ever? Tim and DPA have been very clear....there will be an election for the new union. It is highly probably Tim wont run but if he does he probably would never get elected. That said, the organization is borrowing best practices for a bottom up organization that will represent the pilots in the best way going forward. I think that is what many who have filled out DPA cards are interested in.

The DPA has made an remarkable amount of progress given all the obstacles and unlevel playing field set before them. Time will tell if the amount of dissatisfaction and inability of those in the current union to ever shape up (not looking promising over the past several years) cause enough dissatisfied Delta pilots to vote in a new representative body.

80ktsClamp

Jack- I read all the emails. They are mostly a lot of rhetoric, a few facts here and there, and then invalid conclusions backed up by faulty logic. A blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while, as do they- as there have been a couple times where I've raised my eyebrow and nodded my head in complete agreement. Unfortunately, those moments are quite few and far between.

My point is that the trading in ALPA for the DPA is trading on non-transparent organization for another just like it. Why bother?

Agree to disagree?

Jack Bauer

I like the picture, disagree with your assertion that DPA would be like ALPA....maybe there is a chance someday that ALPA would try to be like DPA, the same way the United Kingdom now tries to be like the USA after we split town

Even though I disagree with you on this subject I hope we can still be friends...

JobHopper

I shook my head at that, too. Very disingenuous. The displacements will be the junior guys with no airplane to rebound to. Any advancements will be made by guys senior to them. The sound you hear will not be a "bounce"; it will be "splat".

80ktsClamp

You cool, Jack.. you cool.


And newK was spot on about the displacement "rebound." It's quite apparent that crew resources is just shooting from the hip and trying to quell the pitch forks and torches...

Jack Bauer

Haha thanks for postin my youtube video. I musta forgot the code... is it still [youtube(withoutthisspace)]code after the equal sign here[/youtube]

80ktsClamp

Sure is. Select "quote" on your post and you can see the coding. That video had a dash in it which might have thrown you off.