^^^ this.

And not that this matters, but I have had them call and say "why didn't you acknowledge the trip?" Meaning we know you looked at icrew.

I have also had a call and hang up prior to SC starting which then because of curiosity's sake you end up looking online to see what you go. But that was before the automated system.

It's not always cumbersome Leine. There was nothing cumbersome about the way DALPA fought off the attempted buyout by USAirways. It was fast and efficient because DALPA wanted it fast and efficient. When DALPA doesn't want something, they invoke the cumbersome rule. Targeted cumbersome-ism is a defense mechanism...not bureaucratic reality.

See above.

We agree there.

False choice because our alternative action is decertification...not complaining. But regarding the concept of operating within the system we have, many of us have the exact opposite opinion. Here's why: we just got through working within the system by electing a large new slate of reps. These reps got rid of the really bad Moak loyalists in the MEC administration. What did the president of our "system" do? He negotiated a change to our contract for the benefit of another pilot group, without ever consulting our elected reps.

So exactly how effective was our attempt to change our system?

I know exactly how effective we would be. See above.

See above for the reality of attempting to seek meaningful improvement.

Carl

What was the change negotiated by ALPA National to our contract. What is/was the specific language changed? I thought the Pinnacle MEC (probably with Nationals help) negotiated, as part of their bankruptcy contract, to get preferential interviews with Delta. Yes, I know it was negotiated directly with Delta Management and, yes, I believe it sets a bad precedent, but I don't think the Delta Pilots Contract was changed.......or was it and I'm just a DumbA... and don't know it.

Denny

Fair point. If your decision was based on a dispassionate analysis of the numbers, then fear doesn't apply to your decision. But there were many, many DALPA admin types and insiders that flat out stated: "I promise you this is their last offer"..."any next offer will likely be far worse"..."do you really want to let this offer expire and spin the wheel of fortune against the NMB and the RLA?..."we can't show you the results of your survey because"... Now what would you call this Ferd? We have a large group of pilots with wives and children who've stagnated for decades. Do you think all of them are immune from a fear based campaign by our own union?

The campaign of fear was a shameful act by our union. It's the choice of last resort by a leadership that knows they don't have the facts on their side. I wish more pilots could have been as dispassionate as you were, but many pilots simply couldn't. That's not as much their fault as it is the fault of the team who waged the fear campaign.

Carl

Don't answer that call either!

On many afternoon SCs I had the kids and wouldn't have help until the SC began. Thy could give me a heads up but I wasn't able to leave until SC started no matter what.


The SC that made me mad but I did it to get to bucket 2 was a 1 hour call to deadhead departure. I won't do that again.

Pinnacle has a guaranteed amount of jumbo RJ flying, so no matter if we try to change scope and bring that in house, they now have an independent contract that subverts our scope. Nice, isn't it?

T-4 now feels more like T-3. On my two par-5 and a par-3 walk, I noticed not less than 3 birds flying around the concourse. Did we transplant the rats over too?

Sorry to punt on this Denny because I'm on an iPhone and I've got to go flying here in a bit. Others have posted the actual document here and it includes the signatures of Delta management, Pinnacle pilots and ALPA national. No DALPA signatures. That document provides for a preference of Pinnacle pilots and a specific number of them. Our current Section 1 has this carve out only for Compass pilots (I believe). I don't have access to Section 1 now, but I don't think the hiring of Pinnacle pilots is anywhere in there...only Compass pilots. With the advent of this document signed by Lee Moak and Delta management/Pinnacle pilots, we now have an enforceable addition to our Section 1 that is not in the current Section 1 contract language that Delta pilots have access to.

The precedence here is eye popping. But more importantly, it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that ALPA is behaving like a national union even though that's prohibited by the RLA. We at DALPA could easily reverse this in court IMO because I believe we'd have the RLA on our side. But not a single rep has come out against this action by ALPA national. Also, remember this was done after we Delta pilots made an extraordinary effort to curb this kind of stuff by electing a large slate of new reps (working within the system).

Carl

DPA is amazed to learn that, once again, ALPA is not interested in enforcing existing scope language. Not only is Delta out of compliance in the Atlantic (AF/KLM JV), but now Delta is also out of compliance in the Pacific. Instead of enforcing existing language, ALPA has granted relief, costing all of us jobs and progression.

ALPA is not interested in representing the Delta Pilot group any longer as is evidenced by their inaction. Poorly crafted scope language is already allowing Delta to operate at least 9 daily round trip A330 flights across the Atlantic LESS THAN REQUIRED without penalty. Now we learn that Delta plans to operate 28 daily flights in the Pacific LESS THAN REQUIRED and without penalty and ALPA is okay with it.

How many wide-body jobs are gone as a result of ALPA's refusal to craft or enforce any meaningful JV scope language? When will Delta Pilots realize that ALPA is incapable of properly representing us?


I find it simply amazing that I find out more abou what the company is doing from an organization that is trying to become our representation rather than the one we have ALPA. Where is the outrage with our current unions inaction on the information above on regards to international scope?:mad: