Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-11-2013 | 12:38 PM
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Only 11 757's leaving by next spring?
I was surprised to hear this on the update. I thought the numbers being thrown around were in the 30-40's by summer 14.
06-11-2013 | 12:59 PM
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Are you talking the NWA strike? (1997 I believe?). I remember it well. You all (if you were PMNW) conducted an impeccable 2-week strike, and it resulted in a...drum roll...12% raise over either three or four years. Further, once your MEC ratified the post-strike TA, it was immediately back to work--you didn't even have membership ratification at that time (DAL didn't either until 1996).
So while I salute you over a well-conducted (and needed) strike, I would contend that it was a fair at best financial result, and one that today would probably be roundly criticized.
So while I salute you over a well-conducted (and needed) strike, I would contend that it was a fair at best financial result, and one that today would probably be roundly criticized.
06-11-2013 | 01:46 PM
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Are you talking the NWA strike? (1997 I believe?). I remember it well. You all (if you were PMNW) conducted an impeccable 2-week strike, and it resulted in a...drum roll...12% raise over either three or four years. Further, once your MEC ratified the post-strike TA, it was immediately back to work--you didn't even have membership ratification at that time (DAL didn't either until 1996).
So while I salute you over a well-conducted (and needed) strike, I would contend that it was a fair at best financial result, and one that today would probably be roundly criticized.
So while I salute you over a well-conducted (and needed) strike, I would contend that it was a fair at best financial result, and one that today would probably be roundly criticized.
06-11-2013 | 01:48 PM
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06-11-2013 | 02:02 PM
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06-11-2013 | 02:38 PM
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My point was that we are looking to realign our scope with whatever the company wants to do in the moment. The NRT limits were set to protect our jobs.... here we are staring down more ER displacements, yet again. Remember, the company came to us saying that they intend to violate our scope.... that's how this started.
Let's see where this evolution is likely to go:
When we allow NRT to be pulled down because it's "less optimum," then we change to do point to point to other places in, say, China... we will then be codesharing with Chinese partners hubs. Our Asia hub gets pulled down, theirs grows while we continue to mitigate our most senior and highest paying jobs. Exactly what the AF/KL JV has done with the nice international flying you used to do on the ER.
Let's see where this evolution is likely to go:
When we allow NRT to be pulled down because it's "less optimum," then we change to do point to point to other places in, say, China... we will then be codesharing with Chinese partners hubs. Our Asia hub gets pulled down, theirs grows while we continue to mitigate our most senior and highest paying jobs. Exactly what the AF/KL JV has done with the nice international flying you used to do on the ER.
Again, call your rep and talk to him about this. There is potentially more job losses at stake if we do not give relief. Think what you will, but talk to your rep.
06-11-2013 | 02:39 PM
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06-11-2013 | 02:47 PM
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So this NRT thing is roughly 5000* pax per year on codeshare flights.....
That translates to about 417 code share passengers per month. Code shares don't make Delta much money, they get a finder's fee (ref ALK).
A finder's fee for a code share is probably around $50 per ticket*.
This is worth roughly $20,850 per month to Delta, a shade under $250k per year. Revenue estimates for 2013 are around $38 BILLION. This would equate to 0.00000657631579% of the revenue for Delta.
So, tell me how much the Company really cares if ALPA makes them cancel the codeshare again?
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*per a previous poster
**per previous discussion on a thread somewhere
That translates to about 417 code share passengers per month. Code shares don't make Delta much money, they get a finder's fee (ref ALK).
A finder's fee for a code share is probably around $50 per ticket*.
This is worth roughly $20,850 per month to Delta, a shade under $250k per year. Revenue estimates for 2013 are around $38 BILLION. This would equate to 0.00000657631579% of the revenue for Delta.
So, tell me how much the Company really cares if ALPA makes them cancel the codeshare again?
All calculations are subject to error:
*per a previous poster
**per previous discussion on a thread somewhere
06-11-2013 | 02:51 PM
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06-11-2013 | 02:52 PM
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Nope. Not at all.
What is the other idea that is being floated? Grieve it and have them pull the code share as a result. 316 does not matter any more, and they are free to pull down NRT at will. Yeah, I can see this web board after a decision like that.
Did you notice that there is no LOA, and we are months away from one? Would you have preferred a knee jerk response that left the pilots with less? Sounds good in theory until you have to test it. From talking to my two Reps, I can tell you that they explored many options. This one worked best and allowed the pilots to be brought in to the loop. A first in a long time.
What is the other idea that is being floated? Grieve it and have them pull the code share as a result. 316 does not matter any more, and they are free to pull down NRT at will. Yeah, I can see this web board after a decision like that.
Did you notice that there is no LOA, and we are months away from one? Would you have preferred a knee jerk response that left the pilots with less? Sounds good in theory until you have to test it. From talking to my two Reps, I can tell you that they explored many options. This one worked best and allowed the pilots to be brought in to the loop. A first in a long time.
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