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08-02-2013 | 04:08 PM
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08-02-2013 | 04:11 PM
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Atlas' pilots voted ALPA in in the late 90's. Atlas (the company) then bought Polar and began whipsawing the two against each other. ALPA National was totally ineffective in moderating that dispute (ala TWA/American) and were voted out.
I think the lesson here is that looking to National in labor disputes between two competing airlines won't get you very far. I know, NWA/Delta were two competing airlines with a successful outcome, but we did not look to National for help. We were big boys who slugged it out on our own and made it work.
08-02-2013 | 04:18 PM
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According to the airport web site... Wasn't there a rumor we are looking to trade T6 in LAX for gate space in ORD with United? Copa is just Latin United... with lower wages.
08-02-2013 | 04:44 PM
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08-02-2013 | 04:54 PM
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Imho, if we are ever going to be in a position to choose, TC must step aside. If there are as many Dpa members(serious members, not just guys trying to scare dalpa) they need a leader that people trust and will follow. TC ain't the guy. If guys are serious they need to get off their butts and chat boards and come forward. While I do somewhat admire his tenacity, I think he's doing more harm to reaching the magic number than helping
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08-02-2013 | 05:21 PM
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08-02-2013 | 05:51 PM
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And they'll do nothing in a future ALPA/ALPA merger.
I'm not hoping for a windfall with a potential Alaska merger, but I don't want to be butt-rammed, either--which is how it's shaping up with ALPA at the helm.
Surely, despite bond/mckaskill, we'd do far, far better SLI-wise in an Alaska merger with our own independent union than we would with ALPA. We can stand up for ourselves without national working behind the scene to sandbag us.
So I ask: Will we be in better position to succeed as a pilot group in the next merger with or without ALPA? (ALPA waterboys, please don't waste our time droning on about the "benefits" of ALPA legal, etc.)
08-02-2013 | 05:55 PM
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If he can't see that he's completely ruining his cause of deposing ALPA--if that is, in fact, his cause--as the face of the DPA drive, then he has serious issues of a possibly psychotic nature. Of course, he'd never be elected if the DPA was successful, but he's still a liability to the movement.
At this point, I'm beginning to suspect he's an ALPA sleeper!
Buzz, would you support an independent union if he wasn't pulling the strings?
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08-02-2013 | 05:56 PM
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Not really germane here, but lets follow your concept for a minute... Looking at recent history of pilot groups who've left ALPA.
How about USAPA?
(Notwithstanding the absolute abject failure they have been at enhancing the careers and bank accounts of their membership.)
How about FPA?
(Oh wait, they were an massively ineffective failure too!)
The pilots realized the effectiveness of ALPA and impotence of being "independent" and have been very successful since they re-affiliated.
Name a pilot group that has had better long term
success by leaving ALPA. Please, I'd love have solid examples. (.....You do realize "independent union" is an oxymoron, right?)
Who really cares "how long it takes", I care about results, the infrastructure to achieve results and influence outcomes. "Independent union"
hasn't been and won't be the solution.
How about USAPA?
(Notwithstanding the absolute abject failure they have been at enhancing the careers and bank accounts of their membership.)
How about FPA?
(Oh wait, they were an massively ineffective failure too!)
The pilots realized the effectiveness of ALPA and impotence of being "independent" and have been very successful since they re-affiliated.
Name a pilot group that has had better long term
success by leaving ALPA. Please, I'd love have solid examples. (.....You do realize "independent union" is an oxymoron, right?)
Who really cares "how long it takes", I care about results, the infrastructure to achieve results and influence outcomes. "Independent union"
hasn't been and won't be the solution.
08-02-2013 | 06:00 PM
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Same could be said about ALPA when they address DPA (but not by name)--purely negative campaign. As for the rest of their talking points, it's a lot like what I see at the national level--talk up how great things are because of your actions and let the minions eat it up, and your devotees preach your propaganda as if it were scientific fact.
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