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Old 08-10-2013 | 06:26 PM
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Nicely done! I thought he was going to plant it, but he saved it in the end.

Any idea what airport that was? I don't think it was Boeing Field.
Old 08-10-2013 | 06:30 PM
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Nicely done! I thought he was going to plant it, but he saved it in the end.

Any idea what airport that was? I don't think it was Boeing Field.
That's the farnborugh airshow the classic daparture all the planes do.
Old 08-10-2013 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by PinnacleFO
That's the farnborugh airshow the classic daparture all the planes do.
Thanks.

I'm glad it wasn't the Paris Air Show, might have had to cut down some trees...

Oh wait, that's a Boeing, not a chainsaw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEH7OpnA-I4

(too soon?)
Old 08-10-2013 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

When you get done, could you come set the clock in our cars and the refrigerator?

In other news, here's a 787 pilot logging 0.03 block.

Had they kept it in the air longer, you would have see the batteries start smoking.
Old 08-10-2013 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Thanks.

I'm glad it wasn't the Paris Air Show, might have had to cut down some trees...

Oh wait, that's a Boeing, not a chainsaw.

First Airbus A320 Crash - French Air show - YouTube

(too soon?)
They did pretty much exactly what Asiana did in SFO... except they were intentionally slow try to stall it to get the protection to kick in.

The protection doesn't kick in below 100 RA, just like on a 777! Both went to TOGA too late...
Old 08-10-2013 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
They did pretty much exactly what Asiana did in SFO... except they were intentionally slow try to stall it to get the protection to kick in.

The protection doesn't kick in below 100 RA, just like on a 777! Both went to TOGA too late...
Yup, but on the 777, the protection below 100' RA is...

YOU!
Old 08-10-2013 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Yup, but on the 777, the protection below 100' RA is...

YOU!
Same on fifi! That was my point!
Old 08-10-2013 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Same on fifi! That was my point!
I don't think it works like that on Fifi, their chief test pilot flew it right into the woods, while trying to go around. At least on the 777, you CAN push the thrust levers up, and the engines WILL spool up.

But YOU have to push them up.

I guess nobody told the Asiana guys that, seems they were waiting for the airplane to do it for them.
Old 08-10-2013 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

When you get done, could you come set the clock in our cars and the refrigerator?

In other news, here's a 787 pilot logging 0.03 block.

So I guess that's 3 degree per second?

By the way, I sure hope they got the ILS for the opposite runway put into the FMS prior to returning for landing.
Old 08-10-2013 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I don't think it works like that on Fifi, their chief test pilot flew it right into the woods, while trying to go around. At least on the 777, you CAN push the thrust levers up, and the engines WILL spool up.

But YOU have to push them up.

I guess nobody told the Asiana guys that, seems they were waiting for the airplane to do it for them.
The test pilot was trying to trigger "alpha floor" protection which takes the engines to TOGA automatically. His plan was to use it as a neat way of demoing the airplane and sending it into a go-around. He drifted below 100 feet, and just like on the 777, the protections are inhibited there.

He realized too late the protection wasn't going to kick in, threw the thrust levers up to TOGA, and the engines spooled on command- right as they were hitting the trees. You can hear it in the audio in the video. Just like on the 777, if you push the thrust levers up, they will spool and go to TOGA. It doesn't help much if your momentum is already taking you into a sea wall or trees (respectively).

He initially lied and said the airplane wouldn't let him go around... which was a lie. It later came out that he didn't understand or know of the alpha floor protection inhibit below 100 RA.
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