Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-18-2013 | 01:59 AM
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Let's not forget this failed merger from over a decade ago due to the Justice Dept threatening a lawsuit because of "diminished competition".
United-US Airways Merger Dead - ABC News
United-US Airways Merger Dead - ABC News
08-18-2013 | 05:48 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Let's not forget this failed merger from over a decade ago due to the Justice Dept threatening a lawsuit because of "diminished competition".
United-US Airways Merger Dead - ABC News
United-US Airways Merger Dead - ABC News
I've not heard much as to why the DOJ overlooked Southwest's acquisition of Air Tran and then filed an action seeking injunctive relief for consumers in the US Air / American deal.
Back when United was involved, it was my understanding United itself wanted to kill the deal and that they had openly shared US Air's plans to consolidate the Companies in a way that was going to be ugly for all involved. Maybe the DOJ simply updated their references with current quotes from the US Air management team, I dunno. American's team put out some really rosy scenarios for their stand alone growth model (with a bunch of airplane orders that surely triggered lobbyists ....)
US Air's management has a bad reputation in some parts of the industry. It isn't that they drive any harder a deal, they're just nasty about it. Business still gets done but bad head work and poor CRM among their executive ranks makes everything harder than it should be.
ALPA's or Anderson's probably got some inside scoop. It will be interesting to hear. At this point it looks like this is more than a divestiture issue.
08-18-2013 | 05:58 AM
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So I tried to be a good boy (far right),
and read my B717 VOL 2 cover to cover. I got stuck a few pages in when I realized how much time, 3 pages, was being dedicated to how the toilet works.
As you read: "A toilet assembly is in each lavatory. The toilet assembly is installed behind a removable shroud. It is a self-contained line replaceable unit with electrical and plumbing connections. The toilet includes the following:
• A toilet bowl
• A Flush Control Unit (FCU)
• A flush valve
• A rinse water valve"
And it goes on and on about the flush control unit. Then you get to the Logic Control Module. Yes, it has one and it gets its own header on the page. But it uses 28 VDC power to operate 2 channels. I know right. Duh.
Then there is the 3-phase 115 VAC blower control relay and it bullet points the 3 reasons that system energizes which includes being below 16,000', service panel door is closed and wait for it, the thermostats in the vaccum blower do not sense a blower motor over temp.
And this is all before we get to the ultrasonic level sensors.
and read my B717 VOL 2 cover to cover. I got stuck a few pages in when I realized how much time, 3 pages, was being dedicated to how the toilet works.
As you read: "A toilet assembly is in each lavatory. The toilet assembly is installed behind a removable shroud. It is a self-contained line replaceable unit with electrical and plumbing connections. The toilet includes the following:
• A toilet bowl
• A Flush Control Unit (FCU)
• A flush valve
• A rinse water valve"
And it goes on and on about the flush control unit. Then you get to the Logic Control Module. Yes, it has one and it gets its own header on the page. But it uses 28 VDC power to operate 2 channels. I know right. Duh.
Then there is the 3-phase 115 VAC blower control relay and it bullet points the 3 reasons that system energizes which includes being below 16,000', service panel door is closed and wait for it, the thermostats in the vaccum blower do not sense a blower motor over temp.
And this is all before we get to the ultrasonic level sensors.
08-18-2013 | 07:10 AM
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08-18-2013 | 07:26 AM
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08-18-2013 | 10:32 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Nearly no thought went into the:
- Wing - oh we already have one of those
- Flight Controls - worked in 1960, it will work today
- Brakes - carry over
- Nose Wheel Steering - see brakes
- Engines - Gulfstream's got that worked out - just copy their data and send it in
- Avionics - Hey what did we do with that MD-11 stuff that didn't sell? Well, use it.
- Hydraulics - we're proud of the fact you don't need the system, but we stuck some DC-10-30 parts in there for good measure, what could go wrong?
It was Mayans making fun of Douglas engineering ... back in the day.
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08-18-2013 | 11:14 AM
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Make sure you smoosh a couple Twix Bars together and leave them in the bowl for your partner. Works every time.
08-18-2013 | 11:16 AM
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Delta and Douglas go way back.
The classic sign on the top of the jet base at Hartsfield is copied from an old Douglas sign.
The classic sign on the top of the jet base at Hartsfield is copied from an old Douglas sign.
08-18-2013 | 11:40 AM
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Bucking Bar
You have to put up a compilation of your critiques of what loosely referred to as "Douglas engineering". It'd be worth, well, worth more than the engineering. Too bad, you didn't fly the MD-11.
GF
You have to put up a compilation of your critiques of what loosely referred to as "Douglas engineering". It'd be worth, well, worth more than the engineering. Too bad, you didn't fly the MD-11.
GF
08-18-2013 | 12:11 PM
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That's because at Douglas, a lot of thought went into the toilet.
Nearly no thought went into the:
It was Mayans making fun of Douglas engineering ... back in the day.
Nearly no thought went into the:
- Wing - oh we already have one of those
- Flight Controls - worked in 1960, it will work today
- Brakes - carry over
- Nose Wheel Steering - see brakes
- Engines - Gulfstream's got that worked out - just copy their data and send it in
- Avionics - Hey what did we do with that MD-11 stuff that didn't sell? Well, use it.
- Hydraulics - we're proud of the fact you don't need the system, but we stuck some DC-10-30 parts in there for good measure, what could go wrong?
It was Mayans making fun of Douglas engineering ... back in the day.
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