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Old 08-28-2013, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank View Post
The full Crank won't be felt for another summer or maybe two--although plenty of folks have felt it already. The Crank still needs to "right size" the pilot group after our efficiency concessions. And good luck getting this Crank back in the bottle in future negotiations.

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Old 08-28-2013, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by HVYinRESERVE View Post
I am in the MSP 7ERB category and flew every day but one that I was available for call. Two days from the end of my last day of call, on the day I returned from a 5-day international trip, I had a raw score of 159, the highest raw score of three pages of people on reserve with 2 days left on call, and I got put on short call because I was junior and raw score is not taken into account. Of course I had no short call days completed because I flew every day. I for one believe that the raw score should be taken into account in determining short call...
You are not the only one that believes that. I am with you. 100%.

But if we are going to stay consistent with respecting seniority on reserve, we cannot in good faith couple SC to buckets so that a guy in bucket 3 with 0 SCs is not up for SC before a guy in bucket 1.

If a senior pilot (relative term I know) bids reserve and does not fly and is in bucket 1 with 0 hours and 1 SC and junior guy is bucket 3 with 70 hours and 0 SCs and both could be assigned one remaining SC that next SC should go to the junior guy regardless of how much he has worked.

The logic? I believe people here say "if someone is going to be at home and not fly, it should be the senior pilot."

I don't buy that and therefore also think SC should be assigned to the lowest guys in the lowest bucket first.
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Old 08-28-2013, 07:27 PM
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Updated link above to the correct clip. What a Jam ....
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by HVYinRESERVE View Post
I am in the MSP 7ERB category and flew every day but one that I was available for call. Two days from the end of my last day of call, on the day I returned from a 5-day international trip, I had a raw score of 159, the highest raw score of three pages of people on reserve with 2 days left on call, and I got put on short call because I was junior and raw score is not taken into account. Of course I had no short call days completed because I flew every day. I for one believe that the raw score should be taken into account in determining short call...

HVY,

I agree with you about raw factoring into short call. That can definitely be improved. As far as you flying almost every day, that can only be put in context when we see what the rest of the category looks like.

My point was not that guys would not be flown a lot - as you well know. My point was that the bucket system, notwithstanding SC deficiencies, does a pretty good job of spreading out flying.

A bunch of guys responded to my earlier post - a few posted their individual situations, which does not really help us evaluate the fairness of the system one way or another. Another poster broke out the top and bottom 5 and it looked all were flying a lot.

Unless someone wants to methodically go through all the categories in various seasons its all just snapshots. Even me going through my whole category is just a snapshot and may not paint a good picture of the whole system. Hopefully DALPA will at some time conduct a statistical analysis of how things have been going and release the results.

My main point is this - if the system is inherently unfair and many senior pilots are getting whole months off while many junior pilots are being abused - I have not seen it. Nor have I seen anyone post a whole category toward the end of the month that shows this. I am not saying that it is not happening somewhere, just that we hear many anecdotal stories that start out with "I flew........" or "This happened to me......" Individuals monthly flying will always vary greatly. Every month in every category there is always a guy who flew more than any other pilot and always someone who flew less than any other pilot.


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Old 08-28-2013, 09:05 PM
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I overheard in the ATL pilot lounge a couple of dudes saying the CO was having difficultly with the new interiors; specifically the seats. Something about certifying the seats or such. Just me unintentionally hearing them near me while signing in today. I have no proof that is really the case.

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Oops, Thought Delta.com would be updated and show the updated aircraft types, but guess not.
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Old 08-28-2013, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop View Post
My point was that the bucket system, notwithstanding SC deficiencies, does a pretty good job of spreading out flying.
I'm going to have to disagree with you there. The old system was much better at that. He who has the least amount of flying is up at bat... fair* and spread evenly.

*unless someones idea of fair is having junior guys do all the work.
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Old 08-28-2013, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy View Post
No one is celebrating, and frankly, allowing reserves to fly to ALV+15 was perhaps, imo, the biggest concession we gave in C2012. Having said that, all the fear mongerers who said reserves are gonna fly 99 hours every month have been proven wrong..... again.
Keep up the tone buddy*

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Old 08-28-2013, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar View Post
Any and every musician needs to see this in the theater before it is gone. Jump to three minutes in ...
I heard that clip on the radio on the way to work one day. Thanks for the reminder to go see the film. What amazing presence and the vocals send shivers down your spine. I might sound like crusty old git but you just don't see that in the music of today. God I sound like my dad 35 years ago!
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Old 08-28-2013, 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch View Post
Keep up the tone buddy*

*winning hearts and minds one condescending post at a time.
I reread PG"s post several times and saw nothing condescending in it, just a little jibe at the naysayers. Your post on the other hand was nothing but.
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Old 08-29-2013, 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank View Post
The full pain of ALV+15 won't be felt for another summer or maybe two--although plenty of folks have felt it already. The company still needs to "right size" the pilot group after our efficiency concessions. And good luck getting this genie back in the bottle in future negotiations.

But you knew all that.
Clearly you don't understand our contract. The more that reserve pilots are utilized, the more reserve pilots required increases. That's the staffing formula. The ALV can't be cranked up in the 80's all year long either. So once again, you are incorrect.

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