Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-28-2013 | 08:06 AM
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Bored? How about eternally grateful.
First, they knock the star QB from Texas out of the game in the first quarter. But then almost get beat by a freshman backup. But they won. Thanks to the previously mentioned QB being knocked out of the game.
Second, they play LSU who was in meltdown mode with fights on the bus and what not. And it showed.
Third, they play Notre Dame, no offense ND fans, but you're no Oregon. Who if not for a FG bouncing off the upright in OT would've been a much better opponent then Bama had seen in a NCG. After all, we know hurry up is the one thing Saban hates and they showed a weakness to short QBs (A&M and UGA comes to mind) in a passing game. A high flying Ducks championship game would've been a riot after how some acted during the 2010 national championship...
First, they knock the star QB from Texas out of the game in the first quarter. But then almost get beat by a freshman backup. But they won. Thanks to the previously mentioned QB being knocked out of the game.
Second, they play LSU who was in meltdown mode with fights on the bus and what not. And it showed.
Third, they play Notre Dame, no offense ND fans, but you're no Oregon. Who if not for a FG bouncing off the upright in OT would've been a much better opponent then Bama had seen in a NCG. After all, we know hurry up is the one thing Saban hates and they showed a weakness to short QBs (A&M and UGA comes to mind) in a passing game. A high flying Ducks championship game would've been a riot after how some acted during the 2010 national championship...
Oh, and they are gonna kill Manziel this year.
08-28-2013 | 08:39 AM
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My apologies. I made the leap when that's not what you were talking about. I've been having the DPA discussion a little too often lately huh? My bad.
While there is a relationship between our MEC (and all MEC's) and National, we do not take direction from them. There was a large shift (although it may have been subtle to the average pilot) when the new administration took office in January. It signaled, IMO, a shift in direction based on the reps displeasure with how C2012 went down.
You'll notice a change in the communication that's coming out since KR took over - and while you probably won't see the contract survey results anytime soon, there is a strong push from the very top of the Delta MEC to be more inclusive and transparent. The PUB program is a perfect example of this. Even in this "downtime" your MEC is going out on the road frequently and has visited every single base, to collect your feedback. I'm confident that capn's experience at the PUB was an outlier, and not the norm. It may have been 1 ALPA guy having a bad day - we're human.
I have actually noticed very little interference from National in the several years I've been doing this stuff. For the most part, we call them when we need something. They exist to support us, and it works that way 99% of the time. Lee Moak does not call down to ATL and tell us how things should be.
Understood. I'm also a junior guy, which is why I'm so invested in where this thing is going. We all want the same thing. It just boils down to (usually) a very small difference in opinion of how to get there.
While there is a relationship between our MEC (and all MEC's) and National, we do not take direction from them. There was a large shift (although it may have been subtle to the average pilot) when the new administration took office in January. It signaled, IMO, a shift in direction based on the reps displeasure with how C2012 went down.
You'll notice a change in the communication that's coming out since KR took over - and while you probably won't see the contract survey results anytime soon, there is a strong push from the very top of the Delta MEC to be more inclusive and transparent. The PUB program is a perfect example of this. Even in this "downtime" your MEC is going out on the road frequently and has visited every single base, to collect your feedback. I'm confident that capn's experience at the PUB was an outlier, and not the norm. It may have been 1 ALPA guy having a bad day - we're human.
I have actually noticed very little interference from National in the several years I've been doing this stuff. For the most part, we call them when we need something. They exist to support us, and it works that way 99% of the time. Lee Moak does not call down to ATL and tell us how things should be.
Understood. I'm also a junior guy, which is why I'm so invested in where this thing is going. We all want the same thing. It just boils down to (usually) a very small difference in opinion of how to get there.
All good info from your post, and to just reiterate my opinion is only based on "my perception" of how things seem to play out. The C2012 vote seemed to place an inordinate amount of pressure from both our union and management. The perception seemed to be that both sides were pushing identical facts, whereas a more transparent pros versus cons comparison would have been more palatable.
You say things have changed and we will see the inference from those changes evident in future communications. Until then we'll all just have to wait and see how some of our significant concerns will play out in the short/long term.
I'd like to see both DPA and ALPA strengthen their hand so as to provide two strong representational options to our group in the event a representational vote ever occurs. DPA by far has a lot more legwork to do as they have publicised some scathing vitriol against ALPA and have provided nothing more than fear mongering.
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08-28-2013 | 09:04 AM
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Bored? How about eternally grateful.
First, they knock the star QB from Texas out of the game in the first quarter. But then almost get beat by a freshman backup. But they won. Thanks to the previously mentioned QB being knocked out of the game.
Second, they play LSU who was in meltdown mode with fights on the bus and what not. And it showed.
Third, they play Notre Dame, no offense ND fans, but you're no Oregon. Who if not for a FG bouncing off the upright in OT would've been a much better opponent then Bama had seen in a NCG. After all, we know hurry up is the one thing Saban hates and they showed a weakness to short QBs (A&M and UGA comes to mind) in a passing game. A high flying Ducks championship game would've been a riot after how some acted during the 2010 national championship...
First, they knock the star QB from Texas out of the game in the first quarter. But then almost get beat by a freshman backup. But they won. Thanks to the previously mentioned QB being knocked out of the game.
Second, they play LSU who was in meltdown mode with fights on the bus and what not. And it showed.
Third, they play Notre Dame, no offense ND fans, but you're no Oregon. Who if not for a FG bouncing off the upright in OT would've been a much better opponent then Bama had seen in a NCG. After all, we know hurry up is the one thing Saban hates and they showed a weakness to short QBs (A&M and UGA comes to mind) in a passing game. A high flying Ducks championship game would've been a riot after how some acted during the 2010 national championship...
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08-28-2013 | 09:44 AM
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08-28-2013 | 10:06 AM
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08-28-2013 | 10:08 AM
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08-28-2013 | 10:46 AM
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1. ALPA
2. DPA
3. Write-in "APC Union"
4. No union
The irony of the DPA yelling about the money is that if they drop cards any union can show up and don't think for a minute that the Teamsters won't show up for some money. I'm not saying the IBT is in it just for money, but they aren't member run and with unions dying, I don't see how they couldn't.
Now, the real interesting part is that the DPA die-hards I've flown with want no union, no dues and no one involved with their life. This isn't an either or vote it's a possible catastrophe. Best case is USAPA. Best case is USAPA, really? They walked away with money and basically kept the same structure. They just cut ALPA off. The DPA wants to clean house and start from scratch with a brand new union structure and new volunteers.
It's also expensive. The DPA has already said that it's going to be "ALPA's money" used to "fight" the DPA. It's not. It's going to be the Delta MEC's money which is our own money in talking with the C66 reps. They said this money would have started to come back to us on a regular basis like the first money they gave back. They said the Alaska pilots regularly give dues money back. We had just started. They also said that it's going to cost the DPA the entire million they just got to do a representation drive. If they lose how do they pay that back? What happens if the IBT moves in? What if no union wins?
This isn't just a vote or get off the pot it's a lingering headache from the merger that just needs to go away so we can all win. C2012 wasn't a home run but when you look at the sudden conclusion to other airline contracts. We really helped a lot of other pilots come up including the APA/USAPA guys if it goes through. We'll all be back to negotiating of the Delta Dot next time with airlines making money unless we all need gas masks soon...
08-28-2013 | 10:57 AM
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I'm just saying what was in the WSJ article. According to the author, Bama fans are bored. In college football, a win is a win, lucky or not. When you are at their level, which is a totally different plane than either UT or AU, your expectations are to win... big... every week. And they do. Therefore they are bored. I get it.
Oh, and they are gonna kill Manziel this year.
Oh, and they are gonna kill Manziel this year.
08-28-2013 | 11:02 AM
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Another DPA fallacy, but only because the labor laws keep changing. A vote would be an interesting dilemma for both sides. The DPA has been openly and publicly announcing how much money will be available. The RLA and NMB does not handle representation disputes well. Current rules say that the vote will be for:
1. ALPA
2. DPA
3. Write-in "APC Union"
4. No union
1. ALPA
2. DPA
3. Write-in "APC Union"
4. No union
The worst thing that can happen is for ALPA to keep its head buried in the sand, pretend like they are performing flawlessly, and continue to let the representation controversy brew.
Remember the F/A representation election that was voted down? Have you heard a peep out the F/A union since then? I haven't. Why not get this behind us one way or another and move on?
When I said to send in your card, call for a vote, and let the membership vote "no," what I really should've said was let the membership chose to retain ALPA as their bargaining agent---or not.
08-28-2013 | 11:09 AM
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It's also expensive. The DPA has already said that it's going to be "ALPA's money" used to "fight" the DPA. It's not. It's going to be the Delta MEC's money which is our own money in talking with the C66 reps. They said this money would have started to come back to us on a regular basis like the first money they gave back..
So, hitime, how much of our money do you think ALPA will be using to wage its propaganda campaign?
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