Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
Hmm - I think that DPA hadn't gotten much wind in their sails by mid of 2012, when the TA came out and the voting was taking place. So I don't think it weakened C2012. I think now a lot more people know about DPA. Also, in 2012 DPA was running a mostly gentlemanly campaign to change the bargaining agent. I think that now that DPA has run off the rails and is just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. The turning point for me personally was TC's comparison of Chinese forced abortions to ALPA. Do we really want people who think that's an appropriate way to discuss matters among professional pilots, Wall Street, on Capitol Hill and the company?
ALPA may be slow to change, but I'm not worried about what they are going to decision makers that affect our careers.
I just think that DPA will divert some attention from the real issue come 2015 - namely a better contract. If ALPA and DPA are continuing to argue about representation, people might just tune out and not pay attention to any of C2015 - just when we need the most participation and unity.
ALPA may be slow to change, but I'm not worried about what they are going to decision makers that affect our careers.
I just think that DPA will divert some attention from the real issue come 2015 - namely a better contract. If ALPA and DPA are continuing to argue about representation, people might just tune out and not pay attention to any of C2015 - just when we need the most participation and unity.
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From the DALPA boards:
Two positive threads.
First talk about more hiring than originally planned. Second talk of the WB order being announced with an interim order of 10 777's and 30 737-900's OR 10 330's and 30 321's (no split order.) Waiting for BOD approval. Should be announced by the end of August (tomorrow?)
As always - Good news tomorrow
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Two positive threads.
First talk about more hiring than originally planned. Second talk of the WB order being announced with an interim order of 10 777's and 30 737-900's OR 10 330's and 30 321's (no split order.) Waiting for BOD approval. Should be announced by the end of August (tomorrow?)
As always - Good news tomorrow

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Which long haul aircraft will be configured with real pilot rest areas versus business rest seats? Non revved on a 330 in Biz a few weeks ago and spent 1/2 the flight in front of a screaming 5 year old.
As C2015 approaches, I would like the focus to be just that.
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Hmm - I think that DPA hadn't gotten much wind in their sails by mid of 2012, when the TA came out and the voting was taking place. So I don't think it weakened C2012. I think now a lot more people know about DPA. Also, in 2012 DPA was running a mostly gentlemanly campaign to change the bargaining agent. I think that now that DPA has run off the rails and is just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. The turning point for me personally was TC's comparison of Chinese forced abortions to ALPA. Do we really want people who think that's an appropriate way to discuss matters among professional pilots, Wall Street, on Capitol Hill and the company?
ALPA may be slow to change, but I'm not worried about what they are going to decision makers that affect our careers.
I just think that DPA will divert some attention from the real issue come 2015 - namely a better contract. If ALPA and DPA are continuing to argue about representation, people might just tune out and not pay attention to any of C2015 - just when we need the most participation and unity.
ALPA may be slow to change, but I'm not worried about what they are going to decision makers that affect our careers.
I just think that DPA will divert some attention from the real issue come 2015 - namely a better contract. If ALPA and DPA are continuing to argue about representation, people might just tune out and not pay attention to any of C2015 - just when we need the most participation and unity.
It's reassuring to see other people feel the same way.
Can we go with 777s and 321s please?
I can't believe we'd buy even more anemic 737-900s. That plane makes the 321 look like a rocket.
That being said, the 777 is top of the payscale and unlimited in deployment capability. It depends on what they need the aircraft to do and if they need that much aircraft (it costs more and is heavier/burns more fuel than the 330.
I can't believe we'd buy even more anemic 737-900s. That plane makes the 321 look like a rocket.That being said, the 777 is top of the payscale and unlimited in deployment capability. It depends on what they need the aircraft to do and if they need that much aircraft (it costs more and is heavier/burns more fuel than the 330.
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And I'm more angry at Boeing then the 737.
The avionics are really nice. And with a nice headset, I think the noise isn't an issue. I've sat jump in several of ours lately, and it's kind of growing on me. But it can never be a 757.
I'm only quote myself to start the conversation...
I think DPA has had it's chance - it's been three years. Rather than be divisive going into C2015, I think TC and others should man up and either say they have the cards for an election or they don't. If they haven't been able to get the cards yet, they probably aren't going to.
Going into C2015 with DPA hanging over everyone's head will only make us weaker, divide us when we should be strong, and in the eyes of the company, it makes us look weak and we might end up with a worse contract because of it.
Yes, there are the DPA folks who say if we only could get rid of ALPA we could have an even better contract - but if DPA doesn't have enough cards to call for an election, then they don't have the numbers and it's not going to happen. Sorry - but in that case the pilots have spoken.
I think DPA has had it's chance - it's been three years. Rather than be divisive going into C2015, I think TC and others should man up and either say they have the cards for an election or they don't. If they haven't been able to get the cards yet, they probably aren't going to.
Going into C2015 with DPA hanging over everyone's head will only make us weaker, divide us when we should be strong, and in the eyes of the company, it makes us look weak and we might end up with a worse contract because of it.
Yes, there are the DPA folks who say if we only could get rid of ALPA we could have an even better contract - but if DPA doesn't have enough cards to call for an election, then they don't have the numbers and it's not going to happen. Sorry - but in that case the pilots have spoken.
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Perhaps I'm being a little hard on him, but the comments were just the final straw for me in a long, litany of harsh criticisms.
FYI, Elvis my response is towards TC's plea and not your post.
I've voiced some hate on the 737. But I think that's mainly because it's the replacement for the 757.
And I'm more angry at Boeing then the 737.
The avionics are really nice. And with a nice headset, I think the noise isn't an issue. I've sat jump in several of ours lately, and it's kind of growing on me. But it can never be a 757.(
And I'm more angry at Boeing then the 737.
The avionics are really nice. And with a nice headset, I think the noise isn't an issue. I've sat jump in several of ours lately, and it's kind of growing on me. But it can never be a 757.(
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