Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-28-2013, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
Scambo, maybe the potential Middle East conflict centered on Syria has management proceeding in a more cautious manner with respect to an aircraft order. Oil prices may be particularly volatile in the next few weeks.
I'm pretty confident the runways at Hartsfield won't be getting cratered next week.
Dubai or Doha -- not so sure.
08-28-2013, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
+1
That pretty much sums it up for me.
I went to a PUB event a few weeks back it it made things worse. The ALPA guys came up to the table and asked if you had any thoughts. Before anyone had a chance to finish their sentence those guys were bloviating about how you need to see it, never once actually listening. They did it to each person who spoke up. They were not there to hear and represent, they were there to tell everyone how it is.
*not winning hearts and minds*
...just how I see it...
That pretty much sums it up for me.
I went to a PUB event a few weeks back it it made things worse. The ALPA guys came up to the table and asked if you had any thoughts. Before anyone had a chance to finish their sentence those guys were bloviating about how you need to see it, never once actually listening. They did it to each person who spoke up. They were not there to hear and represent, they were there to tell everyone how it is.
*not winning hearts and minds*
...just how I see it...
08-28-2013, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Part of the problem lies within your second paragraph. People (Free Riders) can get free health care right now. They will owe someone money. But, they won't pay what they owe. Also, they will wait to get health care late in the game and present themselves to the system when they are really sick, instead kind of sick. Therefore, the cost of their treatment will be that much more.
Or go down to Children's Hospital, some nights in the ER I realized we were the only ones paying.
Originally Posted by newKnow
When they don't pay "that much more," the hospitals transfer the costs of their non-payment to those who do pay. That's us. Those costs were forecast to just get higher and higher for us, to the point where health care costs were forecast to become a large part of people's ("us" again) budgets. I know my health care costs have been going up every year since NWA declared bankruptcy and my coverage has gotten worse and worse over those years. (I could have started a few businesses over the years with the increase in costs I've paid out since then.)
It's not like the problem just got here. Obamacare, Romney-care, Senator McCain, Newt Gingrich, Hillary-care, The Heritage Foundation, Nixon, and a host of others have recognized and tried to solve this for a long time. And I can tell you, in my opinion, in the last 5 years most of us have voted for a presidential candidate that, if given the chance, would have set up a system pretty close to what we have right now -- twice.
It is obviously a problem, because Republicans and Democrats alike have been talking about this for a long time. Is there anyone else offering a solution to the problem of increased health care costs, besides just repealing Obamacare? Because, that really isn't a solution at all.
Heritage Rewrites History - WSJ.com
The Tortuous History of Conservatives and the Individual Mandate - Forbes
It's not like the problem just got here. Obamacare, Romney-care, Senator McCain, Newt Gingrich, Hillary-care, The Heritage Foundation, Nixon, and a host of others have recognized and tried to solve this for a long time. And I can tell you, in my opinion, in the last 5 years most of us have voted for a presidential candidate that, if given the chance, would have set up a system pretty close to what we have right now -- twice.
It is obviously a problem, because Republicans and Democrats alike have been talking about this for a long time. Is there anyone else offering a solution to the problem of increased health care costs, besides just repealing Obamacare? Because, that really isn't a solution at all.
Heritage Rewrites History - WSJ.com
The Tortuous History of Conservatives and the Individual Mandate - Forbes
Now I may be wrong, but imho, does insurance raise costs? YES. Something that the Doctor would gladly charge you $3000 for something if you say at the outset you're self-pay, let UHC get involved and that's $23,000 thank you very much. Just notice the price for Lasik which is not covered by insurance has gotten to as low as $800 an eye. Second party insurance is one big problem beyond fraud and those who don't pay.
But the government is always a worse problem. If a government intern looks at your IRS records and notes "you're a rich Delta pilot, well, I went to an ivy league school and paid $250K for a $35K job, I hate rich people, so screw your kid's surgery... DENIED!" I think I'd enact my own death panel right there.
So if you gave me the choice between government control and overpaid insurance, I'll take the life with UHC option every day of the week until we get option 3, Dr. Carson's HSA idea. The only problem there is the freak out mode Washington D.C. would be in if the country went to private individual control over their own lives in an open market.
Originally Posted by newKnow
Signing off: (Busy for the next few days.)
Email me if you want to continue the discussion though, FTB.
Email me if you want to continue the discussion though, FTB.
08-28-2013, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
08-28-2013, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
If you think Delta is nervous about a war in the Middle East just think how Emirates, Etihad and Qatar must be feeling right about now. I've always thought the geo-political risk was way overlooked when it comes to hubs in the Persian Gulf.
I'm pretty confident the runways at Hartsfield won't be getting cratered next week.
Dubai or Doha -- not so sure.
I'm pretty confident the runways at Hartsfield won't be getting cratered next week.
Dubai or Doha -- not so sure.
Yeah Emirates, Eithad and Qatar are great... but every 10 or so years we bomb their neighbors.
Speaking of which, remember that funny SNL press conference skit back in Gulf War I "What day will we start the ground war?" "Where are our weaknesses and how could Iraqis most exploit those weaknesses..." vulnerable for attack, Saturday Night Live Clip (Cold Opening: Cheney and Lt. Col. Pierson) - IMDb
Now... Review & Outlook: Loose Lips on Syria - WSJ.com
08-28-2013, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
That picture looks like someone put older womens' faces on cheerleader bodies.
Could you do this all day?
Don't answer that.
08-28-2013, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
Yes
The agenda is not coming from National. The Delta MEC has decided to address DPA head on. Enough is enough.
Index is too busy to engage in the process and work through his reps to achieve a solution. How is the next organization going to change that?
It is on each of us as individual pilots to participate. If we don't, no system will make you happy. You are seeing the result of a decade plus of poor circumstances. Burning the house down, right as we are pulling out of the dive, is only going to take us back into the gutter.
How does a USAPA 320 Captain making $93 less per hour than a Delta Captain sound? Do we really want to go that route?
The agenda is not coming from National. The Delta MEC has decided to address DPA head on. Enough is enough.
Index is too busy to engage in the process and work through his reps to achieve a solution. How is the next organization going to change that?
It is on each of us as individual pilots to participate. If we don't, no system will make you happy. You are seeing the result of a decade plus of poor circumstances. Burning the house down, right as we are pulling out of the dive, is only going to take us back into the gutter.
How does a USAPA 320 Captain making $93 less per hour than a Delta Captain sound? Do we really want to go that route?
Let me just segue this by saying that I am not a DPA supporter and can't see myself backing the group in the near future. My gripes with ALPA are just that, with ALPA and in no way translates into support for DPA. It's tiresome to hear when a criticism is made against ALPA it is assumed that the person making the critque is throwing their support behind DPA.
You draw a distinction between ALPA National and our MEC, but I consider them one in the same as it seems the direction/influence of ALPA National is echoed through our MEC and trickled down to our LECs. While I realize administratively the MEC and National leadership structures differ, I still find the relationship tightly woven.
The perception (to me at least) is National passes down it's influence to the MECs who in turn pass down the guidance to the LECs who must then get the pilot group on board. I feel that this process is completely backwards and it has evolved into this because their is an assumption that majority of pilots are selfishly out for themselves and incapable of deciding the appropriate direction for this profession.
I have always been impressed with the knowledge, expertise, and feedback that I have gotten from the Reps I have interacted with, but I still can't help to ignore the MEC direction/guidance that the LECs are left to defend and justify. I'd like to see the tone change with ALPA.
Not trying to attack you or anything here, just offering up this junior guy's opinion.
08-28-2013, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
You guys must be watching the same thing at your house. My daughter has had Rapunzel on repeat for weeks now. I can't get away from it, not even here!
But I have to say, that little green guy
and that horse
crack me up.
08-28-2013, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Cheerleading is a tough life. It takes a toll.
Could you do this all day?
Could you do this all day?
08-28-2013, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
You guys must be watching the same thing at your house. My daughter has had Rapunzel on repeat for weeks now. I can't get away from it, not even here!
Tangled is, BTW, my favorite Disney / Pixar collaboration. 140,000 strands of hair and something like 174,000 frames. Someone drew something like 25,200,000,000 strands of hair. They had to develop their own physics engine to make it flow properly. When you understand the tech behind that cartoon, it's pretty jaw dropping.
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