Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-13-2013 | 02:12 PM
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He would make a great Rep. It is probably difficult to carry 44 without pre ordination from Admin. It can be done, but it isn't easy.
Also we had a strong field in this last election. Capt. Cook really has done an outstanding job filling some large shoes right out of the gate.
Also we had a strong field in this last election. Capt. Cook really has done an outstanding job filling some large shoes right out of the gate.
08-13-2013 | 02:25 PM
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I want to see Sheppard Smith vs. Anderson Cooper, shirtless, covered with baby oil, have a slap fight in a kiddie pool full of jello.
Who'd Win?
Place your bets men!
08-13-2013 | 02:29 PM
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08-13-2013 | 02:31 PM
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
I think the point is that we as a group either:
a) gave up, or
b) missed out
on some other improvement in order to get a commuter policy that does absolutely nothing for non-commuters.
I see chatter's point. When ALPA starts negotiating for one demographic (commuters) at the expense of another (non-commuters), it gets ugly in a hurry.
a) gave up, or
b) missed out
on some other improvement in order to get a commuter policy that does absolutely nothing for non-commuters.
I see chatter's point. When ALPA starts negotiating for one demographic (commuters) at the expense of another (non-commuters), it gets ugly in a hurry.
What if DALPA does a head count, and it turns out more than 50% of the pilot group are commuters?
Should that Majority then give up stuff in future contracts, for the Minority?
It is the same arguement with improving reserve QOL; if only 20% of the pilot group sits reserve, should 80% give up stuff to improve the QOL for only 20%?
Personally, I say yes. Why?
Just because you are not a commuter (or on reserve) today, doesn't mean you won't be tomorrow.
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08-13-2013 | 02:38 PM
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And one of the points is that no matter how much something has been improved, there will always be someone who will claim "they" should have gotten more for their contract issue de jour instead of the money going elsewhere.
To say that every single person can be made to be 100% happy with what they and everybody else got, or didn't get, is a bit naive. We're dealing with human nature here.
Therein lies the problem: the definition of fresh cheese and who is getting it will vary wildly depending on the individuals desire for certain contract improvements.
To say that every single person can be made to be 100% happy with what they and everybody else got, or didn't get, is a bit naive. We're dealing with human nature here.
Therein lies the problem: the definition of fresh cheese and who is getting it will vary wildly depending on the individuals desire for certain contract improvements.
08-13-2013 | 02:47 PM
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Our Cheese! That $1Billion is just short of what the Pilot's pay cuts contributed to the Delta bottom line, every year, not to mention the $4 Billion Underfunded DB plan we gave them as well.
Pat yourselves on the backs boys, that's your money, hard at work.
08-13-2013 | 02:50 PM
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08-13-2013 | 02:59 PM
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08-13-2013 | 03:01 PM
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08-13-2013 | 03:07 PM
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I'm totally behind johnso on this one.
(edit-- the below isn't directed to APCLurker or anyone specifically, just generally)
We as a group are soooo beyond any possible explanation of fairness or justice with this "seniority rules everything" mentality. This seniority-pyramid scheme is like every other pyramid scheme-- it only works so long as new schmucks enter in at the bottom and float the previous schmucks upwards. There is little to no justification for it except "well I had to put up with it, now it's my turn to be king and yours to be defecated on".
The senior folks have enjoyed an absolutely unprecedented length and power of seniority with the age 65 ruling. But they perceive themselves as having not moved up from uber to Uuuuuber-senior, and so they feel justified in further scatting on the juniority. The junior schmucks have been subjected to unrelieved bottom-dwelling. The pyramid scheme has been broken.
Bidding the jet you want, in the base you want, is already such a huge benefit. Then you allow folks to get first pick of trips via PBS--another huge shifting towards unfairness and disparity of treatment from the old "line of time" method where at least the trips in a month were somewhat balanced. Then you give choice of vacations via seniority. Then you give non-revving based on seniority. Now you want MORE seniority on reserve? Wow...
The system doesn't HAVE to work this way, and seniority driving everything is NOT a given. Not everyone does it that way, and certainly in other labor groups or employee groups beyond flying it's not done that way.
While I don't have a workable alternative envisioned in perfect detail in my head, I do know that essentially asking that junior guys fill up most of their month before I had to lift a finger for work is equivalent to wearing a pink Delta hat with the words "Selfish Douche Clown" under the widget.
(edit-- the below isn't directed to APCLurker or anyone specifically, just generally)
We as a group are soooo beyond any possible explanation of fairness or justice with this "seniority rules everything" mentality. This seniority-pyramid scheme is like every other pyramid scheme-- it only works so long as new schmucks enter in at the bottom and float the previous schmucks upwards. There is little to no justification for it except "well I had to put up with it, now it's my turn to be king and yours to be defecated on".
The senior folks have enjoyed an absolutely unprecedented length and power of seniority with the age 65 ruling. But they perceive themselves as having not moved up from uber to Uuuuuber-senior, and so they feel justified in further scatting on the juniority. The junior schmucks have been subjected to unrelieved bottom-dwelling. The pyramid scheme has been broken.
Bidding the jet you want, in the base you want, is already such a huge benefit. Then you allow folks to get first pick of trips via PBS--another huge shifting towards unfairness and disparity of treatment from the old "line of time" method where at least the trips in a month were somewhat balanced. Then you give choice of vacations via seniority. Then you give non-revving based on seniority. Now you want MORE seniority on reserve? Wow...
The system doesn't HAVE to work this way, and seniority driving everything is NOT a given. Not everyone does it that way, and certainly in other labor groups or employee groups beyond flying it's not done that way.
While I don't have a workable alternative envisioned in perfect detail in my head, I do know that essentially asking that junior guys fill up most of their month before I had to lift a finger for work is equivalent to wearing a pink Delta hat with the words "Selfish Douche Clown" under the widget.
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