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Old 08-30-2013 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Negatory, good buddy.
Please prove me wrong. Where in the contract does it state the company may take delivery of additional 76 seaters before 717s?
Old 08-30-2013 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
No. That's what the cntract states. Please reference me to where in our contract it states that the company may take delivery of 76 seaters over 153 before taking delivery of 1.25 717s.

The measurement period has nothing to do with the ratio of 76 seaters to 717s. It measures the amount of 50 seaters to 76 seaters.
Sorry, first measurement period isn't until January. Yet another loophole that was neglected to be effectively communicated during the sales job.

Or would you like to tell these guys as they delivered the first new one today:

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Old 08-30-2013 | 06:30 PM
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I'll give you guys a nudge. Sec 1.46.f exception 1

Read that, & then cut and paste where it says what you're claiming. I'd paste the language here, but I'm on my phone and it's a pain. Sorry.
Old 08-30-2013 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Sorry, first measurement period isn't until January. Yet another loophole tht was neglected to be effectively communicated during the sales job.

Or would you like to tell these guys as they delivered the first new one today:

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You still haven't proven anything. Where's the language? Didn't 9e return 16 CRJ900s to a lessor in BK?
Old 08-30-2013 | 06:33 PM
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I think Johnson might be right on this but it should definitely be resolved.

Once again referencing Negotiators Notepad 5-12:

Delivery of additional 76-seat aircraft is prohibited until SNB aircraft are first added to
the mainline fleet, and then, a simultaneous reduction of 50-seat aircraft is required. This
is an event-based process and not time or date-based.
As Delta implements their
business plan and adds more SNBs, only then may they add more 76-seat aircraft, while
also removing 50-seat aircraft. Once a 50-seat aircraft is removed, the number of
allowable 50-seat aircraft is capped at that level until the next removal and so on. That
cap can then never increase.


Event based with no date attached. I looked in the Live Contract but could not find this - I did see the 2014 date mentioned with Block hour ratios but not in regard to small NB vs. additional 76 seaters.


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Old 08-30-2013 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
You still haven't proven anything. Where's the language? Didn't 9e return 16 CRJ900s to a lessor in BK?
I thought the same thing you did Johnso. I only found out about it today discussing the 717 delays with my rep.

Those 900s are still flying in DL colors... I believe for Expressjet.
Old 08-30-2013 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I'll find the chapter and verse. I only found out about it today discussing the 717 delays with my rep.

Those 900s are still flying in DL colors... I believe for Expressjet.
Originally Posted by johnso29
I'll give you guys a nudge. Sec 1.46.f exception 1

Read that, & then cut and paste where it says what you're claiming. I'd paste the language here, but I'm on my phone and it's a pain. Sorry.
Here's a head start for you.
Old 08-30-2013 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I'll give you guys a nudge. Sec 1.46.f exception 1

Read that, & then cut and paste where it says what you're claiming. I'd paste the language here, but I'm on my phone and it's a pain. Sorry.
1 b. 46. f. Exception one.
20 Note two: If on January 1, 2014, or any succeeding January 1 thereafter, the
21 number of 50-seat aircraft in category A or C operations exceeds the maximum
22 permitted number, the Company will require carriers that engage in category A or C
23 operations to suspend or cease operations on a sufficient number of 50-seat aircraft
24 or 76-seat aircraft to comply with these requirements within 60 days and to remain
25 in compliance thereafter. The Company will be excused from compliance with the
26 provisions of this Note in the event a circumstance over which the Company does
27 not have control is the cause of such non-compliance
Old 08-30-2013 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
1 b. 46. f. Exception one.
20 Note two: If on January 1, 2014, or any succeeding January 1 thereafter, the
21 number of 50-seat aircraft in category A or C operations exceeds the maximum
22 permitted number, the Company will require carriers that engage in category A or C
23 operations to suspend or cease operations on a sufficient number of 50-seat aircraft
24 or 76-seat aircraft to comply with these requirements within 60 days and to remain
25 in compliance thereafter. The Company will be excused from compliance with the
26 provisions of this Note in the event a circumstance over which the Company does
27 not have control is the cause of such non-compliance
Ok. Now highlight where it says the company can operate 153+ 76 seaters without operating 717s first.
Old 08-30-2013 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Yes, but SWA also knows Delta will pay a price because DCI can't fly those brand new 76 seaters that are being delivered now due to our DALPA language prohibiting it until the 717's are delivered . Our DALPA contract language is a big barrier to keep Delta from pressing SWA too hard.

Oh wait...

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