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Old 08-31-2013 | 03:47 PM
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You people are waaaaay too serious. How 'bout some football?
Old 08-31-2013 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by orvil



You people are waaaaay too serious. How 'bout some football?
If Va Tech could cover kicks, we'd have a ballgame. Go Hokies!
Old 08-31-2013 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bigbusdriver
Isn't 2004 the year that DALPA won the FMII arbitration (grievance) and start bringing guys back?

Second question, the No GS thing was a court order and Delta was trying to get out of C2K prior to it's amendable date. Do you think there was leverage to do a no GS campaign and have the court order removed and not start affecting C2K for the pilots still at work?



As to your first question, yes the recalls for the first group of furloughs started in July 2004. The Gulf War furloughs (2nd group) were already back on the property with back-pay by this time.

As to your second question, I do not know. Perhaps Slowplay, or another of the more in the know guys, can answer that one.

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Old 08-31-2013 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
How many jets could have been reduced by not salvaging Pinnacle/Endeavor? Seems there are other ways these 50 seat obligations (many under contracts approaching their expiration date) could have been reduced. You choose to propagate the management solution which is not the most beneficial outcome for Delta mainline pilots.
Pinnacle wasn't liquidating. They would've stayed in business without Delta's help. They had other creditors lined up. As a matter of fact, there was a lawsuit filed to attempt to stop Delta from financing Pinnacle's exit from BK. Someone else wanted to do it.
Old 08-31-2013 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
How many jets could have been reduced by not salvaging Pinnacle/Endeavor? Seems there are other ways these 50 seat obligations (many under contracts approaching their expiration date) could have been reduced. You choose to propagate the management solution which is not the most beneficial outcome for Delta mainline pilots.
So please tell me that if Pinnacle/Endeavor had liquidated, how many RJ's would Delta still have had ownership responsibility for? Hint: the answer was in the bankruptcy disclosures, and it was 141 CRJ-200 and 41 CRJ-900. PCL was only obligated to 16 CRJ-900, and those along with the former Colgan Q400 were the first aircraft they rejected in court. Oh, and tell me what Delta would have looked like with the loss of 1/3 of DCI over the summer...I think they were about 8% of our domestic network.

You choose to ignore reality. Your view would have not been the most beneficial outcome for Delta mainline pilots.
Old 08-31-2013 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Pinnacle wasn't liquidating. They would've stayed in business without Delta's help. They had other creditors lined up. As a matter of fact, there was a lawsuit filed to attempt to stop Delta from financing Pinnacle's exit from BK. Someone else wanted to do it.
Johnso, you're correct, but I believe your timing is off. PCL had a real liquidity problem, and absent Delta financing they would have liquidated. The serious counter-offers came about after the new PCL business plan was formulated, and after our contract was in place, if memory serves.
Old 08-31-2013 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Johnso, you're correct, but I believe your timing is off. PCL had a real liquidity problem, and absent Delta financing they would have liquidated. The serious counter-offers came about after the new PCL business plan was formulated, and after our contract was in place, if memory serves.
That could be correct. I only remember a lawsuit being filed. Regardless, DALPA has no control over whom DAL provides financing to. Right?
Old 08-31-2013 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
And exactly how did they do that?
Are you for real, bro?
Old 08-31-2013 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Johnso, you're correct, but I believe your timing is off. PCL had a real liquidity problem, and absent Delta financing they would have liquidated. The serious counter-offers came about after the new PCL business plan was formulated, and after our contract was in place, if memory serves.
But Johnson said pinnacle wasn't liquidating and they would have stayed in business without Deltas help.
Old 08-31-2013 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
That could be correct (i like making things up). I only remember a lawsuit being filed. Regardless, DALPA has no control over whom DAL provides financing to. Right?
So you make now up your own facts, amirite?
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