Probably more like Valley Forge. DALPA is playing the part of British soldiers quite nicely as they've far underestimated the ragtag DPA folks who don't stand a chance against the mighty crown.

The fact that ALPA thinks of it as foreign soil is actually a major part of their problem. We think of them as foreign because they're so disconnected from us, and they think the same of us since we don't even understand the meaning of the phrase "our fair share of the flying."

ALPA has lost those maps Bar. You might be able to help them, but I'm afraid right now you would be considered just another foreigner.

DPA can't seize anything if and until they're voted in. ALPA is in so they could seize upon it. But ALPA refuses.

I like these history metaphors.

Carl

 

Lee Moak put out a video for the Pinnacle TA roadshow explaining the SSP and why we should vote yes for the 9E TA. I can't find the video anymore, it appears it was deleted.

 

I rarely patron this board but this is truly amazing. I'm not a RD but having been furloughed three times in two years (once from NWA, then twice from a start up that eventually liquidated), I do have some experience with the issue.

The decision to return or not from a recall is a decision for a furloughee to make and not someone else. It is called being in the "adult" phase of one's life.

I can think of many reasons to come back even as seasonal help to being furloughed again:

1. A chance to gain currency if not flying. As most places would require seniority resignation, flying jobs may be hard to come by for employment. Many flying operations require certain amount of hours in a given time frame. One may just get a new type rating or currency needed to land a flying position at a later date.

2. The fact the pilot may be unemployed (like a failed carrier) or outside of aviation and the call comes for a recall. Maybe the lack of currency (esp with seniority resignation issues) has made a furloughed pilot difficult to find a flying job.

3. A chance to get back on health insurance (as I lost mine when my carrier liquidated) and not easy to get employer based insurance when the company collapses. It is a horrible feeling to worry about not having health insurance. Medical bills without health insurance is one of the biggest reasons for personal bankruptcy. Having access to it could be a reason to even go back to the airline with the chance of getting furloughed.

4. The chance to qualify for unemployment insurance if furloughed again. I did contract corporate flying when I could to stay current. The UE bridged the gap when contract work was dry and worked until I got full time employment as a pilot.

The "bypass" portion of a recall of furlougees can be utilized as needed if one is unsure about being so junior and afraid of being forced on the street again. I was very fortunate that I have a very low cost of living/money saved and was able to fly when I could vice taking a job I hated. Other people were not as fortunate. With that being said, it would be their decision to accept a recall or give up a stable job.

Furlough is not a fun experience and forever shaped my life. It was especially tough when your company throws you on the street and keeps your furlough pay you need to survive. A tough life lesson learned for me and it taught me how to sharpen my elbows when needed. Even now, I put cash in the bank and never take anything for granted.

Best of luck in our future endeavors....

 

Wow, alfaromeo sounds angry.

You can't make this stuff up folks.

Carl

 

I'm pretty sure Purple (or anyone else on this board) isn't fooled for a moment by your attempt to out-outrage someone. You're the one that remarked as if you union officials played with furloughed pilots' lives like they were pawns. Maybe you didn't mean it the way it sounded, but you definitely gave that impression.

You atone for this kind of political deafness by apologizing...not by accusing those who called you out on it of doing what only you've done.

Carl

 

Consider 6 months of Delta pay equalled about two years of pay at ASA new hire rates ... .Well stated.

 

Am I the only one who sees the irony of the ALPA moniker written on much of the union's literature. I'm talking about the Unity label that we see on so much of the association's communication we receive. And yet, the last contract passed with what, a 62% approval? Unity--or lack there of--is the fundamental problem with our association. Back in the day, our contracts passed with 'yes' votes in the 90th percentile. MEMRAT ought to be an overwhelming YES, every time!
Rant over.

 

Wrong on all accounts, but facts have never stood in your way......

 

So much for a Jan 1 2014 deadline.

So it's not about the will of the majority. It's not about unity. It's not about what's best for the pilots of Delta Air Lines. It's about getting rid of ALPA at any and all cost and now most clearly NO MATTER HOW LONG it takes.

 

Calm down dude. Anger and emotion aren't strategies.

Carl