Walk straight out of the crew room and you run into the bag room door. It's about the same size as the lounge.:rolleyes: There is also a hidden quiet room with 3 black chairs that I didn't even know that was there for about 5 years.

Great:) Yeah we lock our's too. I was just thinking about MSP and DTW where there are several bag rooms spread around the airport. But, LAX would, of course, not need something like that. Not that I would care, till I start going through there on my way to NRT:p

Ferd

Thanks guys, yes I remember that door. We did have to go out of our way going back to the elevator. Missed the turn:D

I agree, we have given and given. We got a little in return with LOA 19/JPWA, but yes, we have a long way to go. We all know that. I think that a rework of all of the numbers is the number one thing the new LEC/MEC needs to do. In effect let look and see how our playing field has changed since 1113C. It may still be moot and RJ's, Pay et al may be in line, but I do not think so. I think that we can expect to see some modest improvements in section six.
As for Scope, well yes, it needs to be fixed. We need to investigate anything that might be a possible violation. I know many do not like internet rumor, but the fact is these guys that are on here talk to those with other airlines. When someone has been told something, the union needs to do it job and protect the contact. (My opinion). We need to look at how small jet scope is written in section one. Inclusive scope will offer more protections than the way we have it written today. Section 1 is more than small jet scope as well. I know that. We need to look at some of these code share, and JV agreements, and maybe be a little less willing to sign on the dotted line. Some of these are big money makers and some just cover holes in our system. I am all for time limits on these agreements in Section 1. We need to have the ability to look at these again, and if there are issues improve the wording. Agreeing to a JV or Code share for life is not the way to go. I know they are looked at in section 6 but section 6 may not be the time we want to squander our bargaining position as well. (Just thoughts, tell me what you think)

Yes, the west is an issue, but we need to be smart about. I disagree that DCI is not a major problem. We caused it, now it is our job to fix it. We cannot force the company to fly a given route, our job is to make sure there are as many Delta pilots flying the DL coded routes and possible. We can fight code shares, as well but need to be smart about this.
I do want to help this group. My desires are sincere. We need to look at the facts, convey and communicate those facts to you the line guy, and then when the time comes allow you to fill the contract survey out with a good education to help you make informed decisions. That is my goal.
I know a lot of guys hate Wilson Polling and just refuse to answer the phone. I would like to find a way for an automated e-mail from Wilson, or a phone call directing you to a website with a password etc where you could fill out this survey. I know a lot of people are willing to do this and it is one thing that I the MEC needs to look at as well. Times have changed and we need to give the guys the flexibility to answer this when it is on their terms not some call center.

I think that most guys want communication, access to their reps etc. The Committee reports that our union generates are the best and should be applauded for this. I am talking about telling the group, this is what you told is, and we are working toward these goals. I think that this group of professionals is pragmatic enough to realize that not everything can be done all of the time.

We have a group that is already fired up for 2012. It will be interesting to see how this changes/ matures going forward. In reality how the Presidential election is shaping up will also dictate how quickly this contract negotiation goes.

I didn't say DCI is not a major problem, it is. I just think code share ala Alaska is just as much of a problem (UAUA and our Irish friends) to be reckoned with. I mean they are flying 1/4 of the US realestate with our code, not including the state of Alaska. Yes the managers are the ones that dictate where and when we fly. Problem is they also dictate where and when that DL code flys. I gather from the words of the powers that be that the west is a big hole, they see it, don't want to spend the money on it, YET; therefore, Alaska is a short term fix, I hope. It's some of the most compeditive markets in the US and the yeilds are quite low. But these people out here don't just fly west :eek: but, believe it or not, go to Europe too. Maybe even Africa! We could provide some sort of service with a handfull of airplanes like 76 seaters on mainline. Check out SkyWest in SLC some time. Cruise down to terminal E and look at the number of destinaitions that are DCI only. This summer, probably 80% were oversold and it was a complete disaster.

Regarding the group being fired up, I hope so. Picket the World HQ like C2K. I don't want to get political, but I hope our current president reins until we get a contract, then leaves.

Well, got to drive to LA (4hrs + ) and then fly to HNL for a 47hr layover. The flying stinks, but I guess I give one for the team :D

I agree, DCI flies airplanes to cities that they shouldn't. We need to price tickets to the point where demand equals seat. This is at a min. We really need to price seats to about 75-80% LF. There are many cities that are over served and we dump seats at the last minute as well. The customers are learning this, and it will take even longer to change this back.

Have fun in HNL. Play a round for me!

I am on a two hour sit at LGA with my contract (Delta Pilot Working Agreement effective 10-30-2008 to 12-31-2012) and iPhone in hand. Referencing page 26-20 (section 26 R.4.a.) there is a table applicable to former NWA pilots not included in the NWA MP3 (hired after 9-1-2007).

The DC rates are as follows:
2008 4.0%
2009 4.5%
2010 6.0%
2011 8.0%
2012 9.0%

There are approximately 180 of us in this category, no frozen pension, no targeting, just a straight DC. This of course was never made available to us and most of us 180 assume we are getting the same DC as a Delta newhire. We weren't allowed to vote on the new PWA, but my DC dropped from what was be 6% plus 2% (pilot contribution additive) to jut 4.5% with Delta. It's shocking to see the senior Delta contract negotiators (Alpa) throw the junior pilot group under the bus.

FYI section 3.D.
Entry level pilots are not paid IAW the first year pay tables, the are salary until 400 hours or 1 year DOH. The salary is $2750.00 per month with the same yearly percentage increase as the pay tables. I think Airline Pilot Central needs to be updated.

Hello C-scale at the New Delta!

Nice double post TOGA LK. Now, go back and re-read your contract and you'll see that the 6% that you had prior to the merger was simply split to 4% to the DC and 2% to your 401k. This year, its 4.5% and 2%. Just like you were scheduled based on the former NWA negotiated contract.

But nice flame bait.

If you reference post 14001, you'll see that sailingfun corrected me for stating that the DC is 6%. He is correct, it's actually 6.5% but Im sure he was looking at the Delta DC for Real Delta pilots and had no idea that some of us were being compensated differently.

I hardly feel as if I am whining, but creating awareness that he onset of a C-scale group even at a legacy is or has been in the works for some time. If you feel that I don't have the right to state facts, mix in opinion and talk freely about what needs to be addressed in future contracts then perhaps you are part of the problem instead of the solution. Pilots are whiners!

I think everyone answered you in the other thread you started, http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/43659-c-scale-new-delta-not-happy.html why do you feel the need to post here too?