Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1490215)

Fellas,

I'm sure the moderators have allowed this discussion on health care and insurance to continue because:

1.) It is an issue that affects us as Delta pilots, &
2.) We have kept it a respectful discussion. (So far.)

I bet it could continue if we remained respectful by:

1.) Not name calling, &
2.) Not acting like the person who disagrees with your opinion is an idiot.

Now, I'm not one to be lectured to on how the world works and I'm sure none of you want to be directed to, or set straight, either. Let's take the emotion out if it.

I can assure you that all that bluster and hatred for "the other guy" the politicians we vote for spout is all for show. Let's not imitate their act and have a thoughtful discussion. We all might learn something.

I'm off to work. I hope it's still here when I land. :)

Originally Posted by Free Bird (Post 1489732)

Time to re-up the DPA card.

Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1490254)

Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1490163)

Now I want you to join the negotiating committee and adopt the tactic of barge into room/pound fist on table/demand, demand, demand/collect lots of $ from the company and accolades from the pilots.

Voila, as simple as that.

Originally Posted by zoomiezombie (Post 1489895)

Okeedookie. So, we agree that it's not 5th freedom flying per the section in question. Why is Carl throwing the Skymark towel in?

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1490134)

Why was this LOA which, IMO, was negotiated over a period of time done in such secrecy? Why were we not educated on the nuance by our CBA? Why was there no MEMRAT?

Originally Posted by bigbusdriver (Post 1490345)

Quite simply disagree. My reps (66) have been in the lounge (yes, weekends) since the 3 page document came out from the MEC (in JUNE!) explaining, not in general terms, but in explicit terms exactly which paragraph in the PWA was the issue and what could be gained from it. Potentially. I'd say that 3 months and the ability to see and speak with reps is as clear as this LOA could be.

From the MEC update link



If you have a Facebook account you can read the 66 update from last night. There's no mention of Skymark or dedicated codeshares and talks specifically about reducing 5th freedom codeshare out of Japan from existing limits. Skipping the MEMRAT discussion for now there's been a 3 month window open with exact language and exact block hours in which you had time to discuss this. The block hour graph looks pretty clear to me. NRT stable to neutral and PAC flying growing. I attended lounge dog and pony show and heard the same thing Scoop heard. The new 330s are for PACRIM flying which probably isn't good news for the ER guys.

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1490315)

Would love to see a victory over anything associated with Emirates!

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1490354)

On that last sentence, the A330 pays more than the 767Er, right? So how is it a bad thing? If the A330's are Growth, the ER guys can upgrade and get a pay raise. If the 330's are replacements, one for one, of the older ER's, the ER guys will STILL be able to upgrade, for a pay raise.

I don't see the downside for the ER guys when we are getting more, higher paying, airframes.

Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1490360)

Got to see part of the races on a long SFO Layover on Sunday. I was truly amazed at how fast those things are! You just don't get a good feel for it watching on TV.