Why are you guys reupping or putting in your card in protest to something you haven't even seen yet? Let's see what's in it first..

Other side of the coin ... so if we do nothing other than say "no" ... what's to keep Delta from moving the operation to HND as they can can codesharing out of HND?

Answer nothing.

I think my record as a scope hawk is pretty well established here. That being noted, it is my opinion our MEC made the right decision with the decision they faced.

With overflight + the Olympics in 2020, my guess is that we will be fine on block hours. The 15% will act as a check valve that helps us to ratchet up our flying and failing that, we have some scope redundancy ... a floor.

Except the Japanese government.

I'm sure the Japanese government will be fully on board with that plan.

Because putting a card in is not a logical reaction. Putting a card is is an emotional reaction ... it feels good to say "Up Yours."

I felt that way after reading about Pinnacle's bargaining and even more so when it was defended by national ... but ... the long view, what makes sense for this profession and what makes sense for Delta pilots is to stay. ALPA very clearly represents our best short and long term interests.

Actually ... by playing favorites, they are the force responsible for this change.

If the market moves to HND, then Delta will go where the market is, to they extent they can. We well know Delta's network management is proactive and forward looking, making moves faster than most of our competition can hope to match.

So what I hear you saying is we had significant leverage...if what you say is true.

That and 700 yen will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

But it won't get any premium slots to HND.

Huh? The way I see it, if they pull the plug on NRT, it happens in isolation. It is not a zero sum game where the answer is THIS or THAT. One potential answer is, zero.

I don't think you meant to infer this, but Delta has no say whatsoever in moving its operation to HND. Now if you're saying that by voting no, we run the risk of Delta moving all our flying to some code share partner at HND, they could do that now with or without our vote.

Actually, it's not Bar. You've done nothing recently but defend ALPA/DALPA outsourcing of our jobs. You used to be a scope hawk, not anymore.

See above.

You'll understand if I'm not comforted by your guess about future block hours. I would much rather have the restriction on code share based on operating 316 slots per week out of NRT.

It will do no such thing because there's no snap-back feature that we effectively had with the old language. Now it's a percentage that will be negotiated away by our bargaining agent...just like the 316 slot requirement was negotiated away.

Carl