Nope its not. That 380 will compete with us on the JFK route from what I can tell. Doesn't have any bering on this deal one way or another. (Up or down) Their jets that may someday venture outside of Japan are 737's and my Rep noted that 1E 2.A's 40% restriction applies well before the new code share restriction. Its layered from what he told me. I could not get all of the details as he was going to dinner.

We ain't seen anything yet. Just wait until this disaster is fully implemented. If you need proof, look no further than your national politicians who have exempted themselves from it, and the AFL-CIO who is desperately seeking exemptions. 1/3 of the economy, administered by the IRS... great, great plan.

Okeedookie. So, we agree that it's not 5th freedom flying per the section in question. Why is Carl throwing the Skymark towel in?

Just like your guys refer to those that don't agree with them as "shills" and "cheerleaders". You're right though. I should take the high road on that, and I will endeavor to do so from here on.



And if they pull down flying? Doesn't that further your group's agenda? Because as we all know your guys are infinitely tougher than the ones we have representing us now.


I have been investing since college because my father instilled in me the need to do that. Even when I was a starving apprentice architect in the early 80s, I always put something back. It was great advice, and I am just trying to pass that along to those that are complaining about our lot in life. If they choose to take that advice, then I will have done my part to help. If not... that is a choice too. But there is NOBODY that makes as much as we (pilots) do... all the way down to the newhire 717FO that cannot put $50 a month into a growth fund. We cannot think like you did Carl because there is no DB for anybody anymore (except you). If they don't take care of it, nobody else will. If that is selfish, then I am guilty as charged.

As to "selling" scope. I agree. Let's tell the company to pack sand and see what happens. But since we are on the subject... again... why don't you explain to me what the leverage is besides a clause in the contract that will require the company to pull down that codeshare? Can you guarantee that the company CAN fill those seats, and the resulting lost revenue with DAL airplanes? Is there enough traffic there to do so? MAke the case. I'll listen.

Is that a strategy?

Can't be any worse than "constructive engagement" and Moakism.

Sooo, as an aside...does anyone know the rule on assigning short call? I'm on long call today and tomorrow, and they just called me at 8:30pm base time for a noon short call tomorrow? In almost 6 years of reserve, never had this happen before and thought there was a rule about assigning short calls by 1500 base time. There is plenty of manning tomorrow and the two previously assigned guys for short call tomorrow at 0530 and 1100 haven't been used....any ideas?

Interjecting facts into the emotional argument? Heresy! This is the FORUM!

And when they learn to do math and figure the only to continue the Ponzi scheme is to steal our 401(k)s and change the rules on ROTH IRAs, there will be a giant sucking sound of wealth going offshore.

At least you and I agree on SOMETHING. :)

I keep axing that same question and hearing the same crickets.