You can continue to hurl personal insults at your fellow Delta pilots by dutifully repeating the ALPA talking points of characterizing disagreement as "emotional", but you won't win any hearts and minds with personal insults. It will just win DPA more cards.

Strange response from a "scope hawk."

Carl

I think you might be wrong there Bar. Read it again.

The 1.E.2.d restriction on codesharing applies to Japan, not just NRT.

If they don't fly 316 slots at NRT, they can't do a 5th Freedom codeshare out of any airport anywhere in Japan.

Carl-
See above. They have to fly the 316 NRT slots if they want to do a 5th freedom codeshare.

Not to hear him tell it. According to him he's the best that ever was, and he's saved us all.:D

Carl,

I've not heard a cogent "or else" plan for Japan.

At the time the NRT deal appeared to be solid scope. Opening HND changed that. The cheese got moved.

Bar,
With all due respect, you don't believe that any more than I do.

I don't know what's in the loa, I haven't gotten the email yet that says it passed, I'm not making an emotional argument or building a straw man.

We have planes we fly them places. We have a contract that theoretically has protections. If dal wants to fly more to haneda than to Narita, that's their choice. They lose a code share partner. If they want to keep the codeshare partner, they fly to Narita. They can add haneda when the lightning fast network guys sort it out.

If they want to expand the codeshare with their partner outside those parameters, we have leverage.

If they want to pull out of Narita altogether to prove they are tough, they'll be on the street tomorrow. If they can expand haneda, I'm behind them 100 percent.

It's only a zero sum game if we give up slots to enable them a greater option to codeshare.

Dude, he pushed, paid off, and bullied one party into passing what 70% + of this country does not want. He OWNS it. If your health care plan sucked before, you could say that, but the fact is it sucks more now, will suck even more as HIS plan is implemented and that is something that his party has to take responsibility for. People are tired of his excuses, and those who make excuses for him.

That is correct. It is connected to NOTHING other than management's business decision. Yet our union just agreed to connect it and gave up our ability to end code share out of NRT...which was the one real penalty put to management for pulling the plug on NRT.

That potential is still there. The one potential that isn't there anymore is our ability to force Delta to cancel code share. That's now gone forever. But thanks for illustrating just how easy it is to scare our "union" into running away from our own contract language.

Carl

Exactly correct.

Carl

Scambo,

Well look at it this way. Narita scope was 316 slots. That's some of our Pacific flying. We now have scope on all of our Pacific flying.

Would you rather own half a pie, or, would you rather own 85% of a pie which is twice the size?

Council 60 published that Narita was 116,000 block hours. Asia PAC is 214,000. If the choice is THIS or THAT, then I want 85% of the pie that is nearly twice as large and growing.

HIS party did own Healthcare reform. There was a National referendum on it...called an Election. He won, again....get over it. Interesting factoid: Red States, predominately hot beds of Redneck, uneducated beer swilling Tea Partiers stuck on Faux News are projected to overwhelmingly sign up for Healthcare when the exchanges open. Height of hypocracy on display. But wait, let's schedule a 44th or 45th vote to repeal it. Or shut the government down or default on our debt....that'll learn 'em! Continue down the path of obstructionism and the Teapublictards will never will a national election again.