The republicans will never win a national election again because 50% of the country receives a handout.

Eventually, Atlas will shrug and handouts will end because the debt is unsustainable.

Completely apolitical and no names called.

Carl,

I provided input to my Reps on this flying. I did not get what I wanted either.

Business is compromise. That's the reason the fundamentalist Muslim World is an economic basket case.

I could post my input and I'm sure it would win some web board acclaim. Folks would give me a lot of internet high five action ... but ... our Reps and Negotiators have to actually get work done with a party who's goals are the nearly the exact opposite of yours and mine.

My Reps (I think) voted for this LOA and I think they made the right call. If they wanted to make a protect vote on principle, they could have without negatively effecting the outcome. Still, with all the information they voted in the affirmative. Those who voted no (if anyone did) I am sure properly represented their pilots too ... we would all like more, better, tighter.

Bar,
What I want is irrelevant.

I think I'll have a handful of captain peanutbutter crunch.

Spoken like a true drone for the "tolerant," "inclusive" left.

That's what happens when you make decisions based on fear of the unknown. Your adversary can easily move you at will by offering up the latest scare tactic. The ALPA of Dave Behncke wouldn't have been moved by such transparent scare tactics. The new ALPA is...and it shows.

And it still was. Right up until the time DALPA gave it away without MEMRAT for nothing in return.

It did no such thing because the Japanese government tightly controls who gets a HND slot and what time of the day/night that slot is.

A wrong and unresponsive comment that does nothing but excuse getting steamrolled by fear tactics. No different than our TA being pushed on us with the comment of: "you definitely won't like what Delta's Plan B is if you vote NO." And of course that comment didn't come from management, it came from our union. Not that there's a difference.

Carl

In my experience, Atlas does not shrug ... he moves to a more favorable business climate ... hopefully he flies Delta to get there.

There will be a Negotiator's Notepad or some other form of communication which gives us something to discuss objectively. Until then, gentlemen.

Also with all due respect, and I haven't seen the LOA either, that makes no sense. If I understand Alfa correctly, the codeshare partners carry 15 pax/day. The penalty for being in non-compliance with the current, weak protections, is almost no pain to the company. On the other hand, they can't kill NRT fast, but it's going to be disadvantaged to be sure. NRT is like operating out of ALB to serve New York, and the government just opened up JFK for international traffic, and we don't have JFK slots. It doesn't take much guesswork to imagine the process. Step 1, you downgauge to keep frequencies, Step 2 you build a NRT bypass network to the major cities, minus those that had incremental pax from Japan to make the route viable, Step 3, you start shrinking NRT.

Explain the nature of our leverage. I'm not being a smart-ass. Let's just say we don't work something out. What's the leverage?

OK.

Again, not being a smart-ass, and I don't have the LOA. I haven't heard anything about expanding codeshares. I think they would probably need to do something, to gain more HND access, but I haven't read anything about it.

Well said.

Good night.

We do not Bar. We don't have that anymore than we now have the 316 slot requirement.

A better question is: Do you get your resume in to Skymark now, or do you wait until your choice is to stay junior at Delta or be junior at Skymark?

Except Delta pilots won't be in on that pie growth. Skymark pilots will.

Carl