"I'm shocked. Shocked, to find out that gambling is going on in here!"

It's a anonymous web board. Did you think that verified fact and a heightened sense of decorum was what you'd find? Opinions and insults are the fabric in the APC tapestry.

Damnation Buzz! That was perfect. Thanks!

Then I think you accidentally replied to the wrong post. I said we don't need long winded PA's with little factoid trivia. We make entirely too many PA's, regardless of sterile conditions or not. Especially with more and more TV's on board and everyone on their mobile devices. We (pilots and FA's) absolutely spam them with just the required announcements (and advertisements, etc) so a quick welcome aboard at the gate with basic info that fits in a sub 10 second PA is all we really should be doing outside of required announcements and common sense stuff like holding, diverting, turb ahead, unexpected delays, etc.

There is still a remnant of old school pilot stuff that biases some people to think that more PA's are better because that's all we can do to differentiate ourselves and go the extra mile or whatever. So lots of pilots get carried away with it. We are slowly starting to figure out that less is more. Slowly. Very slowly.

But its wrong to think you can't squeeze in your takeoff number because that's a violation of sterile cockpit. Anyone dumb enough to believe that should never even set 250 under 10 (unless they're one of the few that actually have it "in the manuals" that set automation is acceptable for that specific limit) because they might get a 1 knot gust and have to self disclose themselves. :rolleyes:

And many FA's don't listen to PA's. But some do. That quick sequence information is relevant and serves a purpose, and could very well end up reducing the bandwidth you spend talking in the back anyway.

"We're number three for takeoff" is not a violation of anything and anyone that thinks it even might be is too paranoid to operate an aircraft.

Well by all means, please enlighten us all as to how foreign supported airlines flying within our borders will be beneficial to us all. And I couldn't care less if I insult them. They can KMA, and so can those that support them..

Exactly.......

The shiner on my left eye says it all.

I think human nature causes those who appreciate the information from the cockpit to be overtly complimentary and for those that don't care for it to remain silent. Something along the lines of "if you have nothing nice to say..." So, my take is that most people in the back have flow plenty and just want to get where they are going on time. They only want to know if something is going to delay them or affect them. The push for us to be more communicative is based on incomplete information. If you believe in the idea of treat other people how you want to be treated, ask yourself how much you care about what the pilots have to say when you deadhead. For me, it is an unwelcome distraction.

That being said, the bottom line is this: say whatever you want to say. You are a pilot and have earn the right to 'do the pilot thing'.

When something subjective causes disagreement among pilots, I think the simplest and most objective default position to is to respect seniority.

I absolutely get what you are saying. I don't like it either when I'm in the middle of Mad Money and the PA starts and he drones on about altitude and ride and route of flight and all that. ESPECIALLY if we have TVs back there. (Although I still like looking out the window now and again). What I am primarily referring to is right before takeoff, and we have that "sterile" PA:"flight Attendants prepare for departure". I just think it is important to engage those that pay our salaries just a tiny little bit and let them know we are human too. I absolutely DESPISE that robo PA that NWA bought on the 757s that automatically, and within a nanosecond of turning on the seatbelt light, makes a PA to return to your seats and fasten your seatbelts. I think it is cheap sounding.

Bottom line is that guys are gonna do what they are gonna do. As a passenger, I prefer a little personality and engagement from the guys flying the airplane. The guys that don't want to do that, are not gonna do it no matter the pro/con argument and vice versa. But all this fear mongering about sterile cockpit comes across as paranoia, imho.