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I can not for the life of me understand how someone junior (so you say) would look at any of these agreements and say it's a win. We are losing more flying, that means less pilots. Just because there was some sort of perceived "no floor" doesn't mean that signing off on 85% is a "win". Gross.
Look at the feet. When was the last time we ended up with more pilots in December than we started with in January. All while "winning" all these scope agreements.
Look at the feet. When was the last time we ended up with more pilots in December than we started with in January. All while "winning" all these scope agreements.
When was the last time you saw a need for an increase of pilots required of nearly 100/month?
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I truly don't want to say this, but if this doesn't end up like you are saying/recommending, I am probably going to renew my card. There have been just too many instances where I have to ask myself "why do we even have a union?"
If scope is just simply negotiable, I am not interested in playing. As a relatively middle of the roader, I think I'm not alone. All of the arguments to the contrary are pointless.
I truly don't want to say this, but if this doesn't end up like you are saying/recommending, I am probably going to renew my card. There have been just too many instances where I have to ask myself "why do we even have a union?"
If scope is just simply negotiable, I am not interested in playing. As a relatively middle of the roader, I think I'm not alone. All of the arguments to the contrary are pointless.
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316 slots per week at NRT was in our contract. Now it's not.
85% is now in our contract per this LOA. Will it be there next year? Who knows. Thus it's no guarantee. Forcing our company to fly unprofitably above the 85% threshold is something our pilot group will never force management to do. You must know that.
Carl
85% is now in our contract per this LOA. Will it be there next year? Who knows. Thus it's no guarantee. Forcing our company to fly unprofitably above the 85% threshold is something our pilot group will never force management to do. You must know that.
Carl
Either side can play that game Carl.
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My wife keeps the house fully stocked with stamps.
I am attempting to get my head around some of the fuzzy math...converting slots to block hours? (Apples/oranges). I am also trying to get a handle on if this is a win, lose or draw. The negotiators notepad said that NRT has been shrinking for some time...it looks pretty flatline to me, not shrinking or growing. I don't trust the 1 year look back...fool me twice and all. There's a few other items that I can't pull off the top of my head and I'll admit to an uneasy feeling about it.
The company is going to fly only profitable routes. I see no indication where we needed protection from losing those.
The negotiating committee said they capitalized on an opportunity. I am not certain I see it that way. It is certain proof that good bad or ugly, scope is in pencil.

I am attempting to get my head around some of the fuzzy math...converting slots to block hours? (Apples/oranges). I am also trying to get a handle on if this is a win, lose or draw. The negotiators notepad said that NRT has been shrinking for some time...it looks pretty flatline to me, not shrinking or growing. I don't trust the 1 year look back...fool me twice and all. There's a few other items that I can't pull off the top of my head and I'll admit to an uneasy feeling about it.
The company is going to fly only profitable routes. I see no indication where we needed protection from losing those.
The negotiating committee said they capitalized on an opportunity. I am not certain I see it that way. It is certain proof that good bad or ugly, scope is in pencil.
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Straight QOL, homie
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Not commenting on the LOA per se, but block hours are absolutely no indicator of net pilot jobs required. It takes far fewer pilots to fly US-Pacific point-to-point than to man the NRT hub.
And the race to a 9,000 pilot airline continues...
And the race to a 9,000 pilot airline continues...
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