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Old 09-25-2013 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
I think the problem is that the profitable ones might be overflying NRT - thus the problem.
Which would suggest that it might be a good idea to add protections to that flying. Particularly since none previously existed.
Old 09-25-2013 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by boog123
I can not for the life of me understand how someone junior (so you say) would look at any of these agreements and say it's a win. We are losing more flying, that means less pilots. Just because there was some sort of perceived "no floor" doesn't mean that signing off on 85% is a "win". Gross.

Look at the feet. When was the last time we ended up with more pilots in December than we started with in January. All while "winning" all these scope agreements.
According to the bid monitor report the number of pilots required at our airline went from 9081 with 10,579 pilots in category (16.5% above required) in January 2013 to 9933, with 10,542 pilots in category (6.1% above required). That's an increase of 852 pilots required in 9 months. With 300 new hires arriving, starting in November, this may be the year.

When was the last time you saw a need for an increase of pilots required of nearly 100/month?
Old 09-25-2013 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Check;

I truly don't want to say this, but if this doesn't end up like you are saying/recommending, I am probably going to renew my card. There have been just too many instances where I have to ask myself "why do we even have a union?"

If scope is just simply negotiable, I am not interested in playing. As a relatively middle of the roader, I think I'm not alone. All of the arguments to the contrary are pointless.
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Old 09-25-2013 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
316 slots per week at NRT was in our contract. Now it's not.

85% is now in our contract per this LOA. Will it be there next year? Who knows. Thus it's no guarantee. Forcing our company to fly unprofitably above the 85% threshold is something our pilot group will never force management to do. You must know that.

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And there was no guarantee that the 316 would be in C2015. Thus, it was no guarantee. They simply could have canceled the code share thereby eliminating the 316 requirement. Then what? It doesn't come back in the next contract and we have nothing. Forcing the company to fly XXX unprofitable NRT slots is something our pilot group would never force management to do. You must know that.

Either side can play that game Carl.
Old 09-25-2013 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Boog,
I think we are all going to have to read the comm article that comes out and evaluate how this works in different markets.
The last place we should look for an unvarnished analysis of anything contract-related is the stuff put out by ALPA.
Old 09-25-2013 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
The last place we should look for an unvarnished analysis of anything contract-related is the stuff put out by ALPA.
But I suppose DPA provides an unemotional, well thought out analysis?

Especially since half the time their facts aren't even correct.
Old 09-25-2013 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
You have to make a trip to the post office today?
My wife keeps the house fully stocked with stamps.

I am attempting to get my head around some of the fuzzy math...converting slots to block hours? (Apples/oranges). I am also trying to get a handle on if this is a win, lose or draw. The negotiators notepad said that NRT has been shrinking for some time...it looks pretty flatline to me, not shrinking or growing. I don't trust the 1 year look back...fool me twice and all. There's a few other items that I can't pull off the top of my head and I'll admit to an uneasy feeling about it.

The company is going to fly only profitable routes. I see no indication where we needed protection from losing those.

The negotiating committee said they capitalized on an opportunity. I am not certain I see it that way. It is certain proof that good bad or ugly, scope is in pencil.
Old 09-25-2013 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Airframe
Can you get hired by a major by building time at a place like Omni, ATI, National, or North American?
I did as well, but a bit later...circa 2007. Northwest valued heavy international time, and I would imagine the new Delta does as well.
Old 09-25-2013 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
But I suppose DPA provides an unemotional, well thought out analysis?

Especially since half the time their facts aren't even correct.
Curious as to why 4 reps would find this not satisfactory, being so great and all. You would think it would have been a slam dunk.
Old 09-25-2013 | 05:56 PM
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Not commenting on the LOA per se, but block hours are absolutely no indicator of net pilot jobs required. It takes far fewer pilots to fly US-Pacific point-to-point than to man the NRT hub.

And the race to a 9,000 pilot airline continues...
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