Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-24-2013 | 04:32 AM
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Buzz:
FWIW, I'm in the same furlough group as you, and I didn't take Scambo's posts the same way you did. Seemed to me he knew guys were out, in general, a good, long while. He was just saying that IF a furloughee were out from an airline for only a couple of months and never came back, that might be a meaningful stat as it related to the desirability of his/her airline for employment. However; once you start racking up the furlough years, especially 5, 8, 10 etc, it is less indicative of the desirability of the company, and more because that guy has had to move on with his life and his current gig is good enough to not leave.
Having said that, I agree with everything else you said. My little anecdotal story:
A few years into our furlough, I'm riding as a paying pax on DAL. I don't know if we still had those furlough I.D.s (remember those?) I stopped by the cockpit to say hello and mainly to see if there were any good rumors. After I gave my quick intro including the fact I was a DAL furlough, the captain wheels around in his seat and says "I didn't know we still had guys on furlough!" The number was still above 1000 at that point. I remember the green slips as well. I also remember the COBRA payments, and that was much appreciated. You get this large of a group and you're gonna have all kinds.
FWIW, I'm in the same furlough group as you, and I didn't take Scambo's posts the same way you did. Seemed to me he knew guys were out, in general, a good, long while. He was just saying that IF a furloughee were out from an airline for only a couple of months and never came back, that might be a meaningful stat as it related to the desirability of his/her airline for employment. However; once you start racking up the furlough years, especially 5, 8, 10 etc, it is less indicative of the desirability of the company, and more because that guy has had to move on with his life and his current gig is good enough to not leave.
Having said that, I agree with everything else you said. My little anecdotal story:
A few years into our furlough, I'm riding as a paying pax on DAL. I don't know if we still had those furlough I.D.s (remember those?) I stopped by the cockpit to say hello and mainly to see if there were any good rumors. After I gave my quick intro including the fact I was a DAL furlough, the captain wheels around in his seat and says "I didn't know we still had guys on furlough!" The number was still above 1000 at that point. I remember the green slips as well. I also remember the COBRA payments, and that was much appreciated. You get this large of a group and you're gonna have all kinds.
11-24-2013 | 04:33 AM
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Yes. A good football day, unless you are T.
T, I know your pain as my alma mater employed Tyrone Willingham.
He rewarded us with the distinction as the only FBS team to go winless for a season and the longest losing streak at 0-13.
Anyway, condolences from the APC crowd.
T, I know your pain as my alma mater employed Tyrone Willingham.
He rewarded us with the distinction as the only FBS team to go winless for a season and the longest losing streak at 0-13.
Anyway, condolences from the APC crowd.
Carl
11-24-2013 | 04:42 AM
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Not to be picky but your numbers are way off. I was almost exactly in the middle of the furloughed south group and came back 3 years to the month. There were guys back on the property about 6 months before me, still a long time but at not anywhere close to 5 years...
11-24-2013 | 04:53 AM
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4 years, 9 months here.
11-24-2013 | 05:02 AM
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Buzz:
FWIW, I'm in the same furlough group as you, and I didn't take Scambo's posts the same way you did. Seemed to me he knew guys were out, in general, a good, long while. He was just saying that IF a furloughee were out from an airline for only a couple of months and never came back, that might be a meaningful stat as it related to the desirability of his/her airline for employment. However; once you start racking up the furlough years, especially 5, 8, 10 etc, it is less indicative of the desirability of the company, and more because that guy has had to move on with his life and his current gig is good enough to not leave.
Having said that, I agree with everything else you said. My little anecdotal story:
A few years into our furlough, I'm riding as a paying pax on DAL. I don't know if we still had those furlough I.D.s (remember those?) I stopped by the cockpit to say hello and mainly to see if there were any good rumors. After I gave my quick intro including the fact I was a DAL furlough, the captain wheels around in his seat and says "I didn't know we still had guys on furlough!" The number was still above 1000 at that point. I remember the green slips as well. I also remember the COBRA payments, and that was much appreciated. You get this large of a group and you're gonna have all kinds.
FWIW, I'm in the same furlough group as you, and I didn't take Scambo's posts the same way you did. Seemed to me he knew guys were out, in general, a good, long while. He was just saying that IF a furloughee were out from an airline for only a couple of months and never came back, that might be a meaningful stat as it related to the desirability of his/her airline for employment. However; once you start racking up the furlough years, especially 5, 8, 10 etc, it is less indicative of the desirability of the company, and more because that guy has had to move on with his life and his current gig is good enough to not leave.
Having said that, I agree with everything else you said. My little anecdotal story:
A few years into our furlough, I'm riding as a paying pax on DAL. I don't know if we still had those furlough I.D.s (remember those?) I stopped by the cockpit to say hello and mainly to see if there were any good rumors. After I gave my quick intro including the fact I was a DAL furlough, the captain wheels around in his seat and says "I didn't know we still had guys on furlough!" The number was still above 1000 at that point. I remember the green slips as well. I also remember the COBRA payments, and that was much appreciated. You get this large of a group and you're gonna have all kinds.
Thanks. Your first paragraph was exactly what I meant. Just the same, while I am not the most empathetic tool in the shed, Buzz makes some good points. When LD was furlough coordinator, I sent him job leads and mil re-entry info...it was stuff he probably already had, but one thing I think Buzz is correct about: The rank and file did not generally keep the furloughees in their hearts and minds...generally....broad brush.
11-24-2013 | 06:19 AM
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To your point Scambo, resignations should send a signal to both DALPA and DAL that this isn't the end all, be all. We are the best, right? We treat our employees well, right? Well, when some if the best say sayonara there's something wrong. That's how it affects future negotiations. And when contracts allow for junior/furloughed guys to be taken advantage of for compensatory gains by senior guys, that also affects negotiations.
Simply, we, as an industry leading and world leading pilot group need to overcome the temptation to be greedy at the expense of our own. I'm no longer a new hire and I see things much more clearly. We eat our young and management loves it. I don't really aspire to get involved with the union but I'll be damned if I'll continue to watch our current mode of business to continue.
A lot of you like to bag on Carl. I get it. But, you know, Carl, a senior dude, gets it way more than most of you. Delta pilots, IMHO, are self-absorbed and selfish. Why would I naturally be fraternally connected to that?
Simply, we, as an industry leading and world leading pilot group need to overcome the temptation to be greedy at the expense of our own. I'm no longer a new hire and I see things much more clearly. We eat our young and management loves it. I don't really aspire to get involved with the union but I'll be damned if I'll continue to watch our current mode of business to continue.
A lot of you like to bag on Carl. I get it. But, you know, Carl, a senior dude, gets it way more than most of you. Delta pilots, IMHO, are self-absorbed and selfish. Why would I naturally be fraternally connected to that?
11-24-2013 | 06:23 AM
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Buzz:
FWIW, I'm in the same furlough group as you, and I didn't take Scambo's posts the same way you did. Seemed to me he knew guys were out, in general, a good, long while. He was just saying that IF a furloughee were out from an airline for only a couple of months and never came back, that might be a meaningful stat as it related to the desirability of his/her airline for employment. However; once you start racking up the furlough years, especially 5, 8, 10 etc, it is less indicative of the desirability of the company, and more because that guy has had to move on with his life and his current gig is good enough to not leave.
Having said that, I agree with everything else you said. My little anecdotal story:
A few years into our furlough, I'm riding as a paying pax on DAL. I don't know if we still had those furlough I.D.s (remember those?) I stopped by the cockpit to say hello and mainly to see if there were any good rumors. After I gave my quick intro including the fact I was a DAL furlough, the captain wheels around in his seat and says "I didn't know we still had guys on furlough!" The number was still above 1000 at that point. I remember the green slips as well. I also remember the COBRA payments, and that was much appreciated. You get this large of a group and you're gonna have all kinds.
FWIW, I'm in the same furlough group as you, and I didn't take Scambo's posts the same way you did. Seemed to me he knew guys were out, in general, a good, long while. He was just saying that IF a furloughee were out from an airline for only a couple of months and never came back, that might be a meaningful stat as it related to the desirability of his/her airline for employment. However; once you start racking up the furlough years, especially 5, 8, 10 etc, it is less indicative of the desirability of the company, and more because that guy has had to move on with his life and his current gig is good enough to not leave.
Having said that, I agree with everything else you said. My little anecdotal story:
A few years into our furlough, I'm riding as a paying pax on DAL. I don't know if we still had those furlough I.D.s (remember those?) I stopped by the cockpit to say hello and mainly to see if there were any good rumors. After I gave my quick intro including the fact I was a DAL furlough, the captain wheels around in his seat and says "I didn't know we still had guys on furlough!" The number was still above 1000 at that point. I remember the green slips as well. I also remember the COBRA payments, and that was much appreciated. You get this large of a group and you're gonna have all kinds.
11-24-2013 | 06:35 AM
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Well if we are sharing stories-- My most memorable stories was when the chief pilot in DFW called security to escort me and another furloughee out of the DFW pilot lounge following our last flight. Needless to say I was surprised. Talk about the walk of shame, I would say that single 10 minute event is my most memorable experience at Delta.
11-24-2013 | 06:43 AM
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With that said, I did complain to Ops and I guess the policy was changed following that to have a Delta Staff member escort you out. I believe we were one of the first to turn our I.D.s and such in.
11-24-2013 | 06:51 AM
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"Most?" That sounds like some fuzzy math.
Carl is one of the most popular guys here. He's built up more goodwill here than you and I ever will. Even those who don't share his opinion, value his contribution. He's trying to make this a better place to hang our hats.
Carl is one of the most popular guys here. He's built up more goodwill here than you and I ever will. Even those who don't share his opinion, value his contribution. He's trying to make this a better place to hang our hats.
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