Originally Posted by Timbo

Here's more info on what is driving the CPO to call you sick puppies...

Seems some numbers wonk told RA that the Delta Pilot Group uses, on average, DOUBLE the "Industry Average" of sick days/hours/what have you. RA put out the word to the CP's to crack down on Sick Leave Abuse!!

The CP's found that "Double the Industry Average" thing a little hard to believe, so they did some research (what a concept!).

Turns out the other carriers used in the Industry Average all PAY their pilots their unused sick hours/days at the end of the year, or they can bank it and roll it over to the next year, and save it for a really rainy day, or an early retirement, like NWA used to be able to.

The CP told me, "Well of course if you give the pilot's an INCENTIVE to NOT use sick leave, they are not going to use as much, as a pilot group with a 'use it or lose it' type sick leave policy."

So...there you have it. RA thinks we use twice the Industry Average in sick leave, because some numbers geek who only looked at one metric said so, it must be true.

Originally Posted by orvil

Maybe Dick isn't as great a manager as we have been led to believe. If he was a really talented manager the first question he would have asked after being presented with this information is WHY?

He failed to ask the obvious question. He gets paid a lot of money to not only generate the numbers, but to also understand the numbers.

Dick needs to pay attention to the details. After all, that's what he is paid millions to do.

Originally Posted by Doug Masters

So using that rational if the company is out of compliance wrt mainline jets vs RJs could they just add mainline jets "on paper" and be in compliance? Follow my logic here? Just don't wanna go down the slippery slope of allowing them to move phantom numbers around to meet the PWA requirements. Make sense?

Originally Posted by Hillbilly

A good faith basis call would typically not be tied to a 15 day or 100 hour verification requirement as that pilot is already required to provide sick verification to the company. As an example to answer your question, the pilot who calls in sick and then travels via jumpseat on another carrier (the company would know since CASS pinged the Delta system to verify employment) without first getting permission from his Chief Pilot would likely get a good faith basis call. Also, a pilot that calls in sick and then posts on Facebook about the great outdoor physical activities he is enjoying with old friends he hasn't seen in years while visiting out of town relatives during the same time frame could generate a good faith basis call. The company would then have a reason to question the pilot's use of sick leave which is not solely based on the amount of sick leave used or the frequency of sick occurrences for that pilot.

I think most of us would say that no pilot is out of touch enough to actually do that, but unfortunately that is not the case. It is my understanding that less than 0.5% of the pilot group has gotten a good faith basis call.

Originally Posted by Timbo

What is this "Good Faith" phone call you are talking about, and who gets it?

Originally Posted by johnso29

Technically Timbo, that's not a call made on a "Good Faith" basis. You received a call based on Sec 14.F.3.b, which gives us the 2 circumstances in which verification is required.

Verification of sickness under Section 14 F. 2. is required when:

a) a pilot has used more than 100 hours of unverified sick leave in a sick leave year, or

b) a pilot has been absent on a single sick occurrence for 15 or more consecutive days.

Good Faith is covered under Sec 14 F 4. Not trying to be a smart guy. Just clarifying the contract.

Originally Posted by iaflyer

Ok, so why have I gotten two calls in the last two weeks from the CPO office, asking how I am, when I've already provided the requisite sick verification?

Now I have been out sick for a while, but the explanation was in the doctor's note, and I have surgery scheduled.

Originally Posted by johnso29

You mean like stopping "Good Faith" calls? Or getting guys their jobs back? Or getting guys $$$ when their contractual rights are violated?

Originally Posted by johnso29

The CP calling you should tell you exactly why he is calling. If he doesn't, be certain to ask him. Honestly, I think it's disorganization on the 4th floor. I have a friend who had back surgery this past summer. Like you, he was proactive in providing info to the CPO. He spoke with the CP about his absence, and the CP accepted his note for verification. All was well.

The very next day the same CP calls him to find out why he has been out sick for weeks. My friend said "We just spoke yesterday" and CP said "Yup you're correct. Sorry. I'm having a senior moment. Have a good day." And that was the end of it.

Be sure to track your time in iCrew. Make sure it is indeed "verified" sick usage. BTW, didn't know you were out sick. Hope all is well soon.