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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 428361)
I don't think anyone is stating NWA is a dying airline. As I mentioned your long term business plan is known to both merger committees. By Dec 31 this year NWA will have retired 100 out of a total of 161 DC-9's without a replacement aircraft. If the NWA business plan includes replacing those 161 nines it will be brought out in the arbitration or as part of the process. My understanding however is that there was not a plan to replace the aircraft going forward. This was what led to the collapse of the first seniority list integration talks when Dalpa agreed to your concept for a dynamic seniority list. Once NWALPA's proposal was put on paper and properly modeled by DALPA the proposal was withdrawn since it was unfair and devasting to your junior pilots.
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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 428418)
There were many MORE issues besides the DC9.
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Originally Posted by slinky
(Post 428345)
I am finishing up training on the ER now and they told us last month when we started that there were plans to start up hiring in late fall.
I was in the lounge, and heard it and I read it on the DALPA boards. Folks have talked to Crew Resources to confirm or deny the hiring rumor and CR said they never had plans to hire. The Capt I flew with 2 days ago had spoken to them and the AE in Aug , according the the gentleman at CR he spoke to on Wed, "will be JUST LIKE the 777 AE in May". Also CR said they heard of no plans to furlough. Take all that FWIW. I've heard the no hiring and AE info from 4-5 people. Call CR yourselves if you are curious...unfortunately, I bet they tell you the same thing. |
I trust the advice of anyone who is correctly timing the market right now. You oh great one are my sage for wisdom.
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Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff
(Post 428420)
You sound like you're bragging! :cool:
I think sailingfun was just trying to be tactful. NWA MEC can't take credit for issues that came from the other side.:rolleyes: |
The Fall hiring plan has been announced on several occasions by BB and the pilot new hire folks. 'Course, that was pre-oil price elevations. I'm in training at DAL currently and the scuttlebut is still hiring in either Fall or Winter. It's not a rumor but company plans at this point. That may all change with what's happening on several fronts.
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If there is no backfill on this AE I don't see them hiring at least utill the close of a possible November AE. In order to hire there has to be a vacancy. They have to offer those vacancies to seniority list pilots first. If this August AE creates vacancies then they may need to hire. :confused:
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Originally Posted by dtfl
(Post 428442)
Who told you?
I was in the lounge, and heard it and I read it on the DALPA boards. Folks have talked to Crew Resources to confirm or deny the hiring rumor and CR said they never had plans to hire. The Capt I flew with 2 days ago had spoken to them and the AE in Aug , according the the gentleman at CR he spoke to on Wed, "will be JUST LIKE the 777 AE in May". Also CR said they heard of no plans to furlough. Take all that FWIW. I've heard the no hiring and AE info from 4-5 people. Call CR yourselves if you are curious...unfortunately, I bet they tell you the same thing. |
It now looks like we will park 16 aircraft this fall. A mix of MD-88's and 757's. We will however take delivery of 18 aircraft by the end of spring 8 of which are 777's. Their manning is 3 to 3.5 times a domestic aircraft. There will be no need for pilots this winter however it is unlikely they can cover the summer 09 flying with hiring pilots. This assumes no further changes in the fleet plan. There are rumblings of the company asking DALPA to waive the manning formula in anticipation of the first joint bid in the fall of 09 where they could move surplus NWA pilots to fill the gaps. Fuel prices will be the number one driver of everything and all this can change in a blink of a eye.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 428990)
I. There are rumblings of the company asking DALPA to waive the manning formula in anticipation of the first joint bid in the fall of 09 where they could move surplus NWA pilots to fill the gaps.
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