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anotherASAP 07-17-2008 06:32 AM

Even over 3.5 years...that's alot of NWA iron slated to retire. I hope the SLI clearly accounts for the staggering retirements on the North's side of the equation.

Bigflya 07-17-2008 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 427540)
I had a friend at the LCA meeting. Between that and lounge shows here are what they are saying with regards to fleet plans. The DC-9-30's are leaving fast. The 40 and 50 series will be phased out by 2012. That means all the nines gone in the next 3.5 years give or take. A-330's will be flying out of JFK as soon as next Spring on the AMM, TLV and CAI routes. 747-400's will be flying out of ATL as early as next spring on some South American routes. This surprised me as I thought it would be Narita and Capetown. 767ER's will be doing some MSP and DET flying to replace the A-330's. These aircraft movements will not involve base changes for pilots in the Spring. They will be covered by flying 6 or 9 day trips and deadhead. They hope to have the first integrated advance entitlement out in late 09 for Spring 10 flying. That assumes we have a SLI in place this fall.

Hope DAL has enough AE's with backfilling before the merger so DAL pilots can position themselves in DAL jets before the integrated AE. I imagine that there will be little movement for DAL folks hired in 2001 and later as the NWA guys either bid off or get displaced from the 9's.

sailingfun 07-17-2008 11:45 AM

They are planning on replacing some of the nines. They are looking at thirty MD-90's from China and taking delivery of a additional 15 737-700's. The plan is to trade RJ's for the 90's. The MD90 is actually very underated. It has a excellent fuel burn per seat and they can be had for a song right now. If those narrow bodies arrive and with the need for around 400 additional pilots at NWA to transtion to the Delta contract there should be no furloughs. They have firmed up two additional 777's for next year which is huge. Each 777 is staffed at 3 to 3.5 times the domestic narrow body staffing rate. They are still planning on hiring this winter for next summers flying. Lets keep our fingers crossed!!

Superpilot92 07-17-2008 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 427838)
They are planning on replacing some of the nines. They are looking at thirty MD-90's from China and taking delivery of a additional 15 737-700's. The plan is to trade RJ's for the 90's. The MD90 is actually very underated. It has a excellent fuel burn per seat and they can be had for a song right now. If those narrow bodies arrive and with the need for around 400 additional pilots at NWA to transtion to the Delta contract there should be no furloughs. They have firmed up two additional 777's for next year which is huge. Each 777 is staffed at 3 to 3.5 times the domestic narrow body staffing rate. They are still planning on hiring this winter for next summers flying. Lets keep our fingers crossed!!

You bring up a intersting point. If the MD90s do come and replace some DC9s will they put those on the NWA side until the SOC? Everyone keeps arguing with me if i mention the concept of NWA pilots being "moved" to the DAL side and since you just mentioned it whats your ideas? Thanks for the good info.

Spaceman Spliff 07-17-2008 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 427849)
If the MD90s do come and replace some DC9s will they put those on the NWA side until the SOC?

Um....."no?" :rolleyes:

acl65pilot 07-17-2008 12:05 PM

Spiff is correct. and IF this JPWA is voted in there will be more growth.
2012 is a good year to get rid of the 9's it is the year that the C-series is to come out. I would look for that and some more 90's and 737's to fill the void.

Superpilot92 07-17-2008 03:32 PM

nevermind ................

dtfl 07-17-2008 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 427838)
They are planning on replacing some of the nines. They are looking at thirty MD-90's from China and taking delivery of a additional 15 737-700's. The plan is to trade RJ's for the 90's. The MD90 is actually very underated. It has a excellent fuel burn per seat and they can be had for a song right now. If those narrow bodies arrive and with the need for around 400 additional pilots at NWA to transtion to the Delta contract there should be no furloughs. They have firmed up two additional 777's for next year which is huge. Each 777 is staffed at 3 to 3.5 times the domestic narrow body staffing rate. They are still planning on hiring this winter for next summers flying. Lets keep our fingers crossed!!

Actually according to folks that have talked to Crew Resources there are NO plans to hire this winter...sorry to say.

Nigel Tufnel 07-17-2008 06:30 PM

Not hiring?? Is that a new rumor or have your sources been consistent in no hiring this fall/winter?

capncrunch 07-17-2008 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by anotherASAP (Post 427550)
Even over 3.5 years...that's alot of NWA iron slated to retire. I hope the SLI clearly accounts for the staggering retirements on the North's side of the equation.

The problem is that as a stand alone, NWA would never and could never retire all the DC9s without a replacement. The decision to do that is a New DAL decision predicated on a combined airline, the pros and cons will be shared by all and not something that concessions would be given.


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