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So how many of you reading this web board are on a smart phone?? I'd bet that 99.9999999% of the pilots at Delta have a smartphone. Everywhere you look people look like zombies staring at their phones. How long does it take someone to pull up delta net and then log into Icrew? 2 minutes? Ok maybe 5 minutes sitting in certain gates at ATL. In this day and age of technology, how many of you leave your phones at home when you go out to do anything??? I'd venture a very tiny portion of you. So why are we having this massive whine festival about checking your schedule and acknowledging an assignment??? You know almost everyone has their smartphone glued to their palm doing something online every waking minute of the day. ***???
A contract is a contract. If you don't force what is in it, then you don't really have one.
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So how many of you reading this web board are on a smart phone?? I'd bet that 99.9999999% of the pilots at Delta have a smartphone. Everywhere you look people look like zombies staring at their phones. How long does it take someone to pull up delta net and then log into Icrew? 2 minutes? Ok maybe 5 minutes sitting in certain gates at ATL. In this day and age of technology, how many of you leave your phones at home when you go out to do anything??? I'd venture a very tiny portion of you. So why are we having this massive whine festival about checking your schedule and acknowledging an assignment??? You know almost everyone has their smartphone glued to their palm doing something online every waking minute of the day. ***???
-I don't bring my phone water skiing, swimming, tubing, or any other water sport.
-I typically don't hear my phone cycling. (yes, I'll do 5 hour rides)
-If I'm at the gym, my phone is in the locker. I don't want to leave it out since it can get stolen along with all my other possessions. I will spend multiple hours here
-I silence my phone golfing or leave it in the car. (That may be 4 hours for 18)
-I don't carry my phone when out for a run. (granted I do not do 2 hour runs)
Not everyone sits around with their phone all day. If I have a 9 hour leash to respond compared to a 2 hour leash, it is a HUGE DEAL.
I'm sure there are other people that have separate issues as well. (none of these apply to me)
What if you are into GA flying your own plane? Is it reasonable that you can't get to your phone in 2 hours? How about religious or other types of church services where you don't have access to your phone?
So how many of you reading this web board are on a smart phone?? I'd bet that 99.9999999% of the pilots at Delta have a smartphone. Everywhere you look people look like zombies staring at their phones. How long does it take someone to pull up delta net and then log into Icrew? 2 minutes? Ok maybe 5 minutes sitting in certain gates at ATL. In this day and age of technology, how many of you leave your phones at home when you go out to do anything??? I'd venture a very tiny portion of you. So why are we having this massive whine festival about checking your schedule and acknowledging an assignment??? You know almost everyone has their smartphone glued to their palm doing something online every waking minute of the day. ***???
cni, I can think of many times that I do not have my phone on me. Granted, I love sporting activities.
-I don't bring my phone water skiing, swimming, tubing, or any other water sport.
-I typically don't hear my phone cycling. (yes, I'll do 5 hour rides)
-If I'm at the gym, my phone is in the locker. I don't want to leave it out since it can get stolen along with all my other possessions. I will spend multiple hours here
-I silence my phone golfing or leave it in the car. (That may be 4 hours for 18)
-I don't carry my phone when out for a run. (granted I do not do 2 hour runs)
Not everyone sits around with their phone all day. If I have a 9 hour leash to respond compared to a 2 hour leash, it is a HUGE DEAL.
I'm sure there are other people that have separate issues as well. (none of these apply to me)
What if you are into GA flying your own plane? Is it reasonable that you can't get to your phone in 2 hours? How about religious or other types of church services where you don't have access to your phone?
-I don't bring my phone water skiing, swimming, tubing, or any other water sport.
-I typically don't hear my phone cycling. (yes, I'll do 5 hour rides)
-If I'm at the gym, my phone is in the locker. I don't want to leave it out since it can get stolen along with all my other possessions. I will spend multiple hours here
-I silence my phone golfing or leave it in the car. (That may be 4 hours for 18)
-I don't carry my phone when out for a run. (granted I do not do 2 hour runs)
Not everyone sits around with their phone all day. If I have a 9 hour leash to respond compared to a 2 hour leash, it is a HUGE DEAL.
I'm sure there are other people that have separate issues as well. (none of these apply to me)
What if you are into GA flying your own plane? Is it reasonable that you can't get to your phone in 2 hours? How about religious or other types of church services where you don't have access to your phone?
A long call pilot is now on a 2 hour response leash instead of 9 and that is whining?
DALPA has responded to Dickson's letter ---
The MEC Contract Administration Committee put this out yesterday afternoon:
Q. Do you feel the new long call acknowledgement policy outlined in the Flight Operations All Pilots Letter dated December 6, 2013 complies with our contract?
A. The Company and the Association disagree about FAR 117’s interaction with the mutually negotiated provisions of the PWA.
• The Company believes the PWA language says that a pilot must make himself available for a trip that is placed on his line 12 hours prior to report and that the new FAR 117 prospective rest requirement changes the timeline under which a pilot is expected to acknowledge an assignment.
• The Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What guidance would you give the pilot group concerning the requirement for a long call pilot to acknowledge a trip or short call within 2 hours of assignment? Since it appears to be in direct violation of our contract as it exist today.
A. As stated above, the Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What ramifications could a pilot expect for following the contract vs the Flight Operations All Pilots letter?
A. If a pilot’s schedule or pay were to be negatively impacted as the result of complying with our contract, the pilot should prepare to file a grievance. The Delta MEC’s Contract Administration Committee will help you work through the process but the basic steps are:
1. Contact your LEC representatives, go to your chief pilot and request any necessary corrections.
2. If the request is denied, contact Contract Administration and they will help you write a grievance.
The MEC Contract Administration Committee put this out yesterday afternoon:
Q. Do you feel the new long call acknowledgement policy outlined in the Flight Operations All Pilots Letter dated December 6, 2013 complies with our contract?
A. The Company and the Association disagree about FAR 117’s interaction with the mutually negotiated provisions of the PWA.
• The Company believes the PWA language says that a pilot must make himself available for a trip that is placed on his line 12 hours prior to report and that the new FAR 117 prospective rest requirement changes the timeline under which a pilot is expected to acknowledge an assignment.
• The Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What guidance would you give the pilot group concerning the requirement for a long call pilot to acknowledge a trip or short call within 2 hours of assignment? Since it appears to be in direct violation of our contract as it exist today.
A. As stated above, the Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What ramifications could a pilot expect for following the contract vs the Flight Operations All Pilots letter?
A. If a pilot’s schedule or pay were to be negatively impacted as the result of complying with our contract, the pilot should prepare to file a grievance. The Delta MEC’s Contract Administration Committee will help you work through the process but the basic steps are:
1. Contact your LEC representatives, go to your chief pilot and request any necessary corrections.
2. If the request is denied, contact Contract Administration and they will help you write a grievance.
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So how many of you reading this web board are on a smart phone?? I'd bet that 99.9999999% of the pilots at Delta have a smartphone. Everywhere you look people look like zombies staring at their phones. How long does it take someone to pull up delta net and then log into Icrew? 2 minutes? Ok maybe 5 minutes sitting in certain gates at ATL. In this day and age of technology, how many of you leave your phones at home when you go out to do anything??? I'd venture a very tiny portion of you. So why are we having this massive whine festival about checking your schedule and acknowledging an assignment??? You know almost everyone has their smartphone glued to their palm doing something online every waking minute of the day. ***???
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DALPA has responded to Dickson's letter ---
The MEC Contract Administration Committee put this out yesterday afternoon:
Q. Do you feel the new long call acknowledgement policy outlined in the Flight Operations All Pilots Letter dated December 6, 2013 complies with our contract?
A. The Company and the Association disagree about FAR 117’s interaction with the mutually negotiated provisions of the PWA.
• The Company believes the PWA language says that a pilot must make himself available for a trip that is placed on his line 12 hours prior to report and that the new FAR 117 prospective rest requirement changes the timeline under which a pilot is expected to acknowledge an assignment.
• The Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What guidance would you give the pilot group concerning the requirement for a long call pilot to acknowledge a trip or short call within 2 hours of assignment? Since it appears to be in direct violation of our contract as it exist today.
A. As stated above, the Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What ramifications could a pilot expect for following the contract vs the Flight Operations All Pilots letter?
A. If a pilot’s schedule or pay were to be negatively impacted as the result of complying with our contract, the pilot should prepare to file a grievance. The Delta MEC’s Contract Administration Committee will help you work through the process but the basic steps are:
1. Contact your LEC representatives, go to your chief pilot and request any necessary corrections.
2. If the request is denied, contact Contract Administration and they will help you write a grievance.
The MEC Contract Administration Committee put this out yesterday afternoon:
Q. Do you feel the new long call acknowledgement policy outlined in the Flight Operations All Pilots Letter dated December 6, 2013 complies with our contract?
A. The Company and the Association disagree about FAR 117’s interaction with the mutually negotiated provisions of the PWA.
• The Company believes the PWA language says that a pilot must make himself available for a trip that is placed on his line 12 hours prior to report and that the new FAR 117 prospective rest requirement changes the timeline under which a pilot is expected to acknowledge an assignment.
• The Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What guidance would you give the pilot group concerning the requirement for a long call pilot to acknowledge a trip or short call within 2 hours of assignment? Since it appears to be in direct violation of our contract as it exist today.
A. As stated above, the Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What ramifications could a pilot expect for following the contract vs the Flight Operations All Pilots letter?
A. If a pilot’s schedule or pay were to be negatively impacted as the result of complying with our contract, the pilot should prepare to file a grievance. The Delta MEC’s Contract Administration Committee will help you work through the process but the basic steps are:
1. Contact your LEC representatives, go to your chief pilot and request any necessary corrections.
2. If the request is denied, contact Contract Administration and they will help you write a grievance.
So how many of you reading this web board are on a smart phone?? I'd bet that 99.9999999% of the pilots at Delta have a smartphone. Everywhere you look people look like zombies staring at their phones. How long does it take someone to pull up delta net and then log into Icrew? 2 minutes? Ok maybe 5 minutes sitting in certain gates at ATL. In this day and age of technology, how many of you leave your phones at home when you go out to do anything??? I'd venture a very tiny portion of you. So why are we having this massive whine festival about checking your schedule and acknowledging an assignment??? You know almost everyone has their smartphone glued to their palm doing something online every waking minute of the day. ***???
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Thanks for posting the language, ftb.
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