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So why in the hell would you take a little kid on a boat around the world when they are so young they will not remember anything to begin with? I hope they rescue that little girl and then rough up the parents.
and fwiw our little guy is way okay now. just be careful.
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Timbo,
Back in college, I did a sail trip from Seattle up the inland passage to Alaska, and down the western side of BC and back in the straits of San Juan, about a 5.5 week trip with only a few nights in port in a 38' sailboat.
I can't imagine bringing a 3 and 1yr old on that trip. Not to mention absolutely unsafe, if they had any issues where the kids end up in the water with lifejacket or not, they are most likely going to be swimming with the fishes.
Back in college, I did a sail trip from Seattle up the inland passage to Alaska, and down the western side of BC and back in the straits of San Juan, about a 5.5 week trip with only a few nights in port in a 38' sailboat.
I can't imagine bringing a 3 and 1yr old on that trip. Not to mention absolutely unsafe, if they had any issues where the kids end up in the water with lifejacket or not, they are most likely going to be swimming with the fishes.
I might be the one jumping overboard after a few days of crying babies with nowhere to escape the noise!

It'll be interesting to hear their side of the story when they sell it to the media.
Trainer isn't necessarily owned for pure profit motives. It is a leverage tool that is used in many other aspects of the DAL operation that Wall St. doesn't seem to pick up on:
Refineries make jet-A and other distillates, but they also produce propylene gylcol, when negotiating with suppliers around the country at other airports, we use our "self-supply" option to leverage better prices than the competition on everything from de-ice fluid, diesel for GSE, and jet-A. Give us the price we want or we will ship in our own. Lots of those deals end up hidden in other aspects of the enterprise.
Trainer is supposedly on track for a $100m profit this year, all the gross profits (and resultant net losses) from the last two years have been because of infrastructure and repairs. Now that those big ticket items are squared away it "should" actually be a benefit in its own right going forward.
They are also getting the Bakken crude at a better quantity now, which cuts crude acquisition by about $12/bbl. That will benefit the DAL bottom line a lot, the Nigerian cruse is much more expensive, however the market price for jet fuel isn't decreasing by that same $12/bbl on the open market.
I like that DAL is on the road to insourcing:
Trainer = Fuel Expenses
DCI = shrinking and DAL 717's (and maybe even more 717's)
ALK = cutting ground handling, shrinking CS routes, growing SEA via DAL metal
Intl. = more 333's, WB RFP, threatening to kick Alitalia out of JV/Skyteam, fighting MEA's instead of retreating
Refineries make jet-A and other distillates, but they also produce propylene gylcol, when negotiating with suppliers around the country at other airports, we use our "self-supply" option to leverage better prices than the competition on everything from de-ice fluid, diesel for GSE, and jet-A. Give us the price we want or we will ship in our own. Lots of those deals end up hidden in other aspects of the enterprise.
Trainer is supposedly on track for a $100m profit this year, all the gross profits (and resultant net losses) from the last two years have been because of infrastructure and repairs. Now that those big ticket items are squared away it "should" actually be a benefit in its own right going forward.
They are also getting the Bakken crude at a better quantity now, which cuts crude acquisition by about $12/bbl. That will benefit the DAL bottom line a lot, the Nigerian cruse is much more expensive, however the market price for jet fuel isn't decreasing by that same $12/bbl on the open market.
I like that DAL is on the road to insourcing:
Trainer = Fuel Expenses
DCI = shrinking and DAL 717's (and maybe even more 717's)
ALK = cutting ground handling, shrinking CS routes, growing SEA via DAL metal
Intl. = more 333's, WB RFP, threatening to kick Alitalia out of JV/Skyteam, fighting MEA's instead of retreating
That must have been a great trip, but you're right, not with very young kids. After having 4 kids myself, I can say I wouldn't want to be locked in a small cabin with a 1+3yr. old for weeks at a time, ever, let alone out of sight of land! More for my sanity than for their safety.
I might be the one jumping overboard after a few days of crying babies with nowhere to escape the noise!
It'll be interesting to hear their side of the story when they sell it to the media.
I might be the one jumping overboard after a few days of crying babies with nowhere to escape the noise!

It'll be interesting to hear their side of the story when they sell it to the media.

"Oh guys, don't worry about the boat, the Navy will take care of it."

I mean if by worry you mean how are we going to sink it, don't worry, we got it.
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Glad to hear it!
My wife agrees with your wife. My wife won't even get on a sailboat with me, but she let me race with our kids when they were 6. The other racers called us, "Team Child Abuse".

Did you ever see that movie from back in the 80's, called Parenthood? One line that always stuck in my mind was, "You need a license to drive a car, but they'll let any idiot be a parent!"
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The 88 will even drive to the parking lot. It just can't remember where anyone on the airplane left their car.
(either that or it hates any truck that drives by a localizer antenna on an autoland and decides to take it out ... have not figured out this aspect of the 88's psychosis yet)
(either that or it hates any truck that drives by a localizer antenna on an autoland and decides to take it out ... have not figured out this aspect of the 88's psychosis yet)
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Jeffrey Lebowski, PE Tech, Electrical
DRIVING TO WORK AT THE DOUGLAS ENGINEERING DEPT. LONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA
The Dude, memorialized by my Avitar was a Douglas Electrical Engineer who like Steve Jobs, physically went to the Stanford campus, mostly because the acid & weed were cheaper there. Then, as you know he met the Nihlists, who changed his life. Nihlism is a philosophical doctrine that suggests the negation of one or more putatively meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value. Electrical nihilists assert that electricity does not inherently exist, and that any established values (voltage, cycles, amps) are abstractly contrived. Nihilism can also take epistemological or ontological/metaphysical forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or that reality does not actually exist.
The term is sometimes used in association with anomie to explain the general mood of despair at a perceived pointlessness of existence that one may develop upon realising there are no necessary norms, rules, or laws of physics. (or in Minnesota speak ... Captain ... "that's different", First Officer "...,whatever")
Now that you know Jeffrey Lebowski, who was one of the most distinguished nihilistic electrical engineers who ever graduated from a correspondence course in California, designed the system, this thoughts and madness you can better appreciate why schematics do not begin to explain the continuously variable, unknown, and unknowable electrical system he designed.
Wozniak, on acid, probably could figure it out. You or me? We just take these things on faith in little blue lights.
Recall the difference between a new MD88 pilot and an experienced MD88 pilot.
- New pilot: Delta 1407 what's your assigned...? [LEFT]"Holy Crap! Did you see what it did?"[/LEFT
- Experienced: it did that again ... Delta 1407 what's your assigned XXX ?... "whatever"
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Jeffrey Lebowski, PE Tech, Electrical
DRIVING TO WORK AT THE DOUGLAS ENGINEERING DEPT. LONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA
The Dude, memorialized by my Avitar was a Douglas Electrical Engineer who like Steve Jobs, physically went to the Stanford campus, mostly because the acid & weed were cheaper there. Then, as you know he met the Nihlists, who changed his life. Nihlism is a philosophical doctrine that suggests the negation of one or more putatively meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value. Electrical nihilists assert that electricity does not inherently exist, and that any established values (voltage, cycles, amps) are abstractly contrived. Nihilism can also take epistemological or ontological/metaphysical forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or that reality does not actually exist.
The term is sometimes used in association with anomie to explain the general mood of despair at a perceived pointlessness of existence that one may develop upon realising there are no necessary norms, rules, or laws of physics. (or in Minnesota speak ... Captain ... "that's different", First Officer "...,whatever")
Now that you know Jeffrey Lebowski, who was one of the most distinguished nihilistic electrical engineers who ever graduated from a correspondence course in California, designed the system, this thoughts and madness you can better appreciate why schematics do not begin to explain the continuously variable, unknown, and unknowable electrical system he designed.
Wozniak, on acid, probably could figure it out. You or me? We just take these things on faith in little blue lights.
Recall the difference between a new MD88 pilot and an experienced MD88 pilot.
- New pilot: Delta 1407 what's your assigned...? [LEFT]"Holy Crap! Did you see what it did?"[/LEFT
- Experienced: it did that again ... Delta 1407 what's your assigned XXX ?... "whatever"

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